I was shopping at Lou's Records in Encinitas (I've been trolling used record stores since the early 70's) and stumbled on 2 of the 24 live tapes from their massive 24 tape release. Only ones I've ever seen. Natch I got 'em. I've had nice lps by them over the years too. Course, most of it is way too harsh for me to sit and listen to. Still, I like it. Mostly in theory.