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Andrew's Collection

Frank Zappa   05/24/1969

The Rockpile, Toronto, ON
Source 2 Sennheiser mics on-stage > Fostex reel to reel -> ? (most or all generations on open reel tape) -> 4th gen reel tape -> standalone CD burner -> CDR -> EAC -> wav > flac > Soundforge 9: speed correction, local gain adjustments
Media Flac CDR   2 discs
Tech Notes I have both the early and late sets for the this date, with two sources respectively for the early show.

Early show (2nd gen AUD > MD > CD-R):

"~~ from 2nd gen AUD > MD > CD-R source ~~

same as previous walk seed: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1790

Complete with one patch from Yojimbo's 4th gen Stage source copy (for tf/cut in my Music).

All other tracks unchanged except for the renaming according to our new FZ Shows seeding conventions.

Available Recordings, according JN:
1969 05 24 - Rockpile, Toronto, Canada
Previously listed as Massey Hall, 1969 05 19.
These are the last known tapes featuring Lowell George.
Early show
55 min, Stage, B+
55 min, Aud, B+
With André ??? on vocals (*).
intro, Interlude, Boogie In G*, improvisations*, My Music* (including Chucha), Uncle Meat, drum duet, Run Home Slow, Gas Mask, Little March, Right There, Teddy Bears' Picnic, Lohengrin, Begin The Beguine

This copy: 57.50 min, AUD 2nd, B+

Source: AUD > master cassette > reel > mini-disc > computer > CD-R

Lineage: AUD > master cassette > reel > mini-disc > computer > traded CDR > EAC (secure mode) >
wav Audition 1.5 (tracked only) > shntool > flac frontend (lvl 7, SBE aligned) (previous FZ Shows seed) >
Soundforge 9: patch included > flac TLH lvl8 w/SBA (330 MB)

Taped by: Micah G.
Transfered by: N/A
CD-R copy traded with: Hasi
Edited by: walk, flambay

Fill (for tf/cut in My Music) from 4th gen copy of Stage recording (DP ... > LC > Yojimbo)
(~51.30 min, Stage 4th, A-/B+)

Lineage: Stage recording -> ? (most or all generations on open reel tape) -> 4th gen reel tape -> standalone CD burner -> CDR -> EAC ->
wav > flac > Soundforge 9: speed correction, extracting patch, merging with main source

taped by: DP
copy traded with: LC
transferred (EAC) by: Yojimbo
edited by: Yojimbo, flambay


The MOI:
Jimmy Carl Black - drums, vocals
Ray Collins - vocals
Roy Estrada - bass, vocals
Buzz Gardner - trumpet
Bunk Gardner - woodwinds
Euclid James Sherwood (Motorhead) - baritone saxophone
Arthur Dyer Tripp III - drums
Ian Underwood - woodwinds, keyboards
Lowell George - guitar, vocals (up until 24-May 1969)
Frank Zappa - guitar, vocals

guest vocalist (on tracks 04,05,06) - André ???

Setlist:
01 Announcements by FZ [3:00]
02 Interlude [3:39]
03 FZ talks ("And now, teenagers ...") [1:11]
04 Boogie In G [17:05]
05 improvisations [2:22]
06 My Music (including Chucha) [6:47] °°° tf/Stage source patch {4:22-5:34}
07 FZ talks ("This is André ...") [2:26]
08 Uncle Meat [3:10]
09 Drum Duet [4:40]
10 Run Home Slow [2:27]
11 Gas Mask [2:37]
12 Little March [1:22]
13 Right There (aka Skweezit) [2:36]
14 Teddy Bears' Picnic [0:17]
15 Lohengrin [0:51]
16 Begin The Beguine [3:12]

Total time (patched version) 57.50 min

Unpatched track (AUD source only):
06 My Music (unpatched) [5:38] °°° tf/cut at 4:22

Total time (AUD source only) 56:42 min


Notes:


credits:
thanks to Micah G.(AUD) and to DP(Stage) for taping this show
thanks to Hasi for the AUD CDR's
thanks to LC & Yojimbo for the 4th gen Stage copy (fill)

Enjoy !!

-- walk & flambay

www.zappateers.com/bb - August 2010"

Early show (Stage recording, 4th gen copy):

"~~ Stage recording, 4th gen copy ~~

Recorded on stage by Don Preston

4th gen copy CD-R passed along by LC,
transferred (EAC) by Yojimbo,
edited by flambay.

Upgrade to previous unknown gen bburnett-jaypfunk seed of this same Stage source version:
http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1984

Patches from AUD source (including full FZ announcements and preambles between songs)
are included in separate subfolder.

Available tapes according FZshows:
1969 05 24 - Rockpile, Toronto, Canada
Previously listed as Massey Hall, 1969 05 19.
These are the last known tapes featuring Lowell George.
Early show
55 min, Stage, B+
55 min, Aud, B+
With André ??? on vocals (*).
intro, Interlude, Boogie In G*, improvisations*, My Music* (including Chucha), Uncle Meat, drum duet, Run Home Slow, Gas Mask, Little March, Right There, Teddy Bears' Picnic, Lohengrin, Begin The Beguine

This copy: 51.30 min, Stage 4th gen, A- stereo (B+ for distorted parts)

Lineage: 2 Sennheiser mics on-stage > Fostex reel to reel -> ? (most or all generations on open reel tape) -> 4th gen reel tape -> standalone CD burner -> CDR -> EAC -> wav > flac >
Soundforge 9: speed correction, local gain adjustments, minor drop out flaws fixed > flac TLH lvl8 w/SBA (291 MB)

Taped by: Don Preston
CD-R copy traded with: LC
transferred (EAC) by: Yojimbo
edited by: flambay

The MOI:
Jimmy Carl Black - drums, vocals
Don Preston - keyboards, electronics
Roy Estrada - bass, vocals
Buzz Gardner - trumpet
Bunk Gardner - woodwinds
Euclid James Sherwood (Motorhead) - baritone saxophone
Arthur Dyer Tripp III - drums
Ian Underwood - woodwinds, keyboards
Lowell George - guitar, vocals (up until 24-May 1969)
Frank Zappa - guitar, vocals

André ??? - guest vocalist (on tracks 04,05,06)

Setlist:

01 tuning up [0:53] °°° cuts in
02 Interlude [3:31] °°° cuts off at end
03 ... crank it up [0:10] °°° cuts in
04 Boogie In G [17:16]
05 improvisations [2:22]
06 My Music (including Chucha) [6:28] °°° cuts off at end
07 tuning up [0:15] °°° cuts in
08 Uncle Meat [3:10]
09 Drum Duet [4:39]
10 Run Home Slow [2:27]
11 Gas Mask [2:38]
12 Little March [1:23]
13 Right There (aka Skweezit) [2:36]
14 Teddy Bears' Picnic [0:17]
15 Lohengrin [0:51]
16 Begin The Beguine [2:16]
17 Final Words [0:11] °°° cuts off at end

Total time (Stage source only) 51.30 min

Patched tracks, including all FZ intro talks from AUD source,
included in separate subfolder (33,1 MB):

01 Announcements by FZ [3:00] °°° entirely from AUD source
03 FZ talks ("And now, teenagers ...") [1:11] °°° cuts in, AUD source patch {0:00-1:02}
07 FZ talks ("This is André ...") [2:39] °°° cuts in, AUD source patch {0:00-2:19}
17 Final Words & applause [0:57] °°° switch to AUD source at 0:11

Total time (including AUD patches) 57.49 min

Patches/fills extracted from 2nd gen micah-walk-flambay AUD source (56.42min, AUD 2nd, B+).
full seed: http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=19625

Lineage: AUD > master cassette > reel > mini-disc > computer > traded CDR > EAC (secure mode) >
wav Audition 1.5 (tracked only) > shntool > flac frontend (lvl 7, SBE aligned) (previous FZ Shows seed) > Soundforge 9: patches extracted and merged with main source
Taped by: micah
CD-R copy Contributed by: Hasi
transferred (EAC) by: walk
edited by: walk, flambay

Notes:
Contrary to our usual procedure ("patched version in main folder, unpatched tracks in separate subfolder")
we have decided to post the unpatched Stage source version in the main folder here,
and to include the patched tracks (with AUD source material) in a separate subfolder,
for those interested to hear the additional FZ talk in combination with the Stage source material.
There is no actual music missing in the main source (Stage 4th gen),
and some of the stage banter between the music tracks seems to be differently edited:
(no proper match between Aud and Stage source in tracks 01 and 07,
some hidden edits or cuts in either source).

Credits:
Thanks to Don (Stage) and to Micah (AUD) for taping this show.
Thanks to LC for passing along this low gen Stage source copy.
Thanks to Micah, Hasi and walk for the AUD source material (patches).

Enjoy !!

-- Yojimbo & flambay

www.zappateers.com/bb - August 2010"

Late show:

"~~ From 4th gen stage recording ~~

Yet another Toronto '69 upgrade, but this is not just an upgrade. While most of you probably are familiar with the material here, I don't think many have heard it presented this way before.
The Don Preston stage tapes from Toronto 1969 have been circulating in many incarnations, labeled with many different dates and venues. In recent years, this show has been identified as two different Rockpile shows: Feb 23 late and May 24 late. While working on a version of the so-called May 24 late show, which I hadn't checked closely before, I found an overlap between the two. So it turned out to be one and the same show, which drdork convinced me to label as May 24 late.

And so, my recent seed of "1969 02 23 (L) Toronto" (http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=19700) becomes obsolete - all the music from that seed is included here. If you don't want to download it again, instruction follow below.
I still had to use a fill from my unknown gen tape, but this time only 12 seconds.

Drdork's 3 arguments why 1969 05 24 (L) is the most plausible date for this show:

1. The presence of André, who at the early show on that night had just arrived in Toronto.

2. Pound is introduced as Pound, whereas on 2/23/69 (early) Toronto it was introduced as String Quartet.

3. Aside from this tape, Igor's Boogie, Redneck Eats, and Eye Of Agamotto are not known to have been performed before April 1969, and Some Ballet Music is not known to have been performed before May 1969.

Preliminary, revised FZShows entry:

1969 05 24 - Rockpile, Toronto, Canada
Late show
94 min, Stage, B+
With André ??? on vocals (*).
My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama, Charles Ives, jam, Some Ballet Music, improvisations/prelude to Uncle Meat, Uncle Meat, drum duet, Eye Of Agamotto, jam, Lonely Lonely Nights, Orange County Lumber Truck Medley, instrumental, The String Quartet, Igor's Boogie/Little Doo-wop, Dom DeWild's electro-genetic experiment, Call Any Vegetable, Redneck Eats, Stone City, Trouble Every Day

This version: 94:10 min, Stage, B+ (mono up until 0:58 of track 04, from there stereo)

Lineage: Stage recording > Reel-to-reel tape (4th gen) > CDR (standalone burner) > EAC > SoundForge 10.0 (speed correction, editing, tracking) > Trader's Little Helper (flac level 7)

Lineage fill: Maxell XLII tape, unknown gen > Denon DRM-800A > M-Audio Audiophile 2496 > SoundForge 10.0 (minor EQ adjustment) > merging with main source

Taped by: Don Preston
Transferred by: LC (fill source by Yojimbo)
Edited by: Yojimbo

Setlist:

01 My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama
02 Charles Ives
03 jam
04 Some Ballet Music
05 improvisations/prelude to Uncle Meat
06 Uncle Meat
07 drum duet
08 Eye Of Agamotto
09 jam
10 Lonely Lonely Nights
11 tuning-up and audience interaction (to fill source @ 2:34)
12 Orange County Lumber Truck Medley (back to main source @ 0:02)
13 audience interaction
14 instrumental
15 A Pound For A Brown preamble
16 A Pound For A Brown
17 Sleeping In A Jar
18 Igor's Boogie/Little Doo-wop
19 Dom DeWild's electro-genetic experiment
20 Call Any Vegetable
21 Redneck Eats
22 Stone City
23 Trouble Every Day

Track 01 - 10 were previously identified as 1969 05 24 (L).
Track 11-23 were previously identified as 1969 02 23 (L).

That's right, you heard right: Thanks to flambay for speed correction advice!

Hope you'll enjoy this new way of hearing this show!

www.zappateers.com/bb - August 2010"
Trades Allowed Yes
Ratings Show: A/+    Sound: B++
Owned by Andrew · Last Updated May 23, 2023