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Frank Zappa 03/15/1969

SHOWID 107984

Set I

Bacon Fat
The String Quartet
The Wild Man Fischer Story*
I'm The Meany*
Valarie
King Kong

Set II

 

Set III

 

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Frank Zappa - Electric Guitar, Vocals
Jimmy Carl Black - Drums, Vocals
Roy Estrada - Electric Bass, Vocals
Bunk Gardner - Saxophone, Trumpet, Flute
Buzz Gardner - Trumpet
Lowell George - Guitar, Vocals
Don Preston - Keyboards, Electronics
Jim "Motorhead" Sherwood - Baritone Saxophone, Vocals
Arthur Dyer Tripp III - Percussion
Ian Underwood - not present in this show for virus affliction

* - w/ Larry "Wild Man" Fischer On Vocals
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Extract from drdork's research about the date of this show:

"Recently I noticed that two different Alice Cooper gig lists were more skeptical about the alleged 68/11/08 Fullerton gig. sickthingsuk asks, "Is there any other evidence that this show happened?" And the Alice Cooper eChive labels it "CANCELLED". So I decided to take another look at the question, with help from some of my fellow Zappateers.

1. Al_Fresco found three items in The Titan, the student newspaper at Cal State Fullerton, in March 1969: an ad and a preview article on March 14 and a captioned photograph on March 18. He found no such items in November 1968 issues.
2. Similarly, Si Halley of the sickthingsuk website found ads in the March 12 and March 15 issues of the Long Beach Independent Press Telegram. He found no such items in November 1968 issues.
3. In the full recording here (but not on the Beat The Boots version of Our Man In Nirvana), FZ makes multiple references in his opening monologue to a gymnasium and to Orange County. It's pretty clear that the tape was recorded in a gym in Orange County. Titan Gymnasium at Cal State Fullerton is not the only gym in Orange County, but it is one.
4. Earlier in that monologue, FZ says, "Due to an unfortunate circumstance, we will not have our normal ten-piece band here tonight. We have only nine pieces because Ian, our alto saxophone player and teen appeal member of the combo, was afflicted with a virus on the east coast and is now lying on his back, coughing and sweating and being fed chicken soup at his girlfriend’s house in New York." If this was recorded on 68/11/08, that was the very first concert featuring Buzz Gardner and Lowell George. It's a bit odd to refer to "our normal ten-piece band" when that line-up hasn't performed a single concert. If, on the other hand, this tape was recorded on 69/03/15, then the full line-up (including Ian, Buzz and Lowell) would have played a handful of west coast gigs in late November, early December and mid January, followed by a month-long tour of the east coast (69/01/31 Boston through 69/03/02 Philadelphia). So the ten-piece band would have been well established (normalized, if you will).
5. Moreover, if this tape dates from 68/11/08, Ian Underwood must have stopped off in New York en route from Europe to Los Angeles and then got sick there and stayed with Ruth. (Which means that the ten-piece line-up might not even have rehearsed together yet.) But if it dates from 69/03/15, we know that Ian was on the east coast tour in February, so all he had to do was get sick and stay there. No special trip or stop-over necessary.
6. old zircon pointed out that in I'm The Meany, Wild Man Fischer sings, "The Beatles talk about me in their movie, movie." This is obviously a reference to Yellow Submarine, which was released in the United States on November 13, five days after the alleged 68/11/08 Fullerton show, but a full four months before the confirmed 69/03/15 Fullerton show.
7. old zircon also pointed out that before Pound For A Brown FZ states that Uncle Meat "is gonna be out in a couple of weeks". The album was released in April 1969, a month after 69/03/15 but five months after 68/11/08.
8. One more old zircon argument: the European tour lasted through 68/10/26 Paris. That leaves less than two weeks to fly back to Los Angeles and rehearse with the two new band members before the alleged 68/11/08 Fullerton show, followed by three weeks off before the next show, 68/11/29 Phoenix. On the other hand, if there was no 68/11/08 Fullerton show, then they have a full month to get back and rehearse before 68/11/29 Phoenix. (There was less than two weeks between 69/03/02 Philadelphia and 69/03/15 Fullerton, but that was the same line-up playing the same repertoire, so it's no problem.)

None of the arguments above is conclusive by itself. But taken together, they lead me to conclude that
a) no concert by the Mothers Of Invention and Alice Cooper was ever scheduled for Fullerton on November 8, 1968
b) this tape was recorded in Fullerton on March 15, 1969"
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The following songs have previously been attributed to the start of this performance :
Feet Light Up
A Pound For A Brown On The Bus
Sleeping In A Jar

Collectors With This Show

User (active/rating) Media / # Show Sound Details DB Source User Source
Michael D. (5/0) FLAC / View  
Joe (5/5) FLAC / 0 View   Source: soundboard > ?? > WM Fisher's cassette > Akaii GX-570 D2 w/ Dolby Transfer Nakamichi...
CJ (5/4.7) CDR / 1 View  
Rick Martin (5/5) Flac / 1 B+ View   Source : soundboard > ?? > WM Fisher's cassette > Akaii GX-570 D2 w/ Dolby...
Notes: Unknown
Xavier Birtwich (5/0) FLAC / 1 B+ SBD View   SBD stage recording - 75 min - justinmsmith38@hotmail.com - outlook one drive 5GB
Notes: SBD stage recording - 75 min - justinmsmith38@hotmail.com - outlook one drive 5GB
Jack Warner (5/5) FLAC / 0 View   MAT>?>C>FLAC
Drifty (5/4.9) CDr / 1 A- View   Soundboard
Notes: Bootleg "Our Man In Nirvana"
Holden Caulfield (5/5) flac / 0 View   soundboard > ?? > WM Fisher's cassette > Akaii GX-570 D2 w/ Dolby Transfer Nakamichi CR3A w/...
Dwayne (5/5) FLAC / 0 View   Stage Recording
cucamonga (5/0) cdr / 1 A A View  
Notes: The String Quartet. With Fisher
Joplin R. (5/3) CD-R / 1 View  
Jon Pavuk (5/4.3) FLAC / 1 A B+ View   Audience
Rich Pucci (5/4.7) CDR Audio / 1 View  
Dan Karan (5/4.9) cdr / 1 B+ View  
Notes: "The String Quartet" / Flashback / 06.89.0104 / with Wild Man Fisher
Jonathan Steckler (5/0) / 1 B+ View   Brd
Ron (4/5) CDR / 1 B View   Unknown gen soundboard recording
Michael (4/0) CD-R / 1 B+ View  
Notes: w/ Wild Man Fischer
Jeff (4/5) CDR / 1 A A- View   UNKNOWN
Ingo Benzler (4/0) CDR / 1 View   aud
TTDaddy (3/5) FLAC / 1 View   Stage mics
Notes: Upgrade to previously circulating versions (incl."Our Man From Nirvana" boot/BTB 2) - TRT 1:13:20) Lineage: traded CD-R > previous FZ Shows seed flac > Soundforge 9: speed correction, phase offset & drop outs fixed, patched in fills from alternate dubline copies of same source > flac TLH lvl8 w/SBA (430 MB) taped by: unknown transferred by: unknown CD-R rip & previous seed: enggopah edited by: flambay
Richard Warren (3/5) flac / View  
Carl (3/0) CD-R / 1 View   Stage> ?
john zicconi (3/5) CDR & FLAC / 1 STG View   Don Preston's Stage recording
Eric Simpson (3/4.9) cd-r / 1 A- View  
Notes: (sbd/stage?) w/the Mothers. *tape hiss present.
evolve_imperfectly (3/0) CDR / 1 View  
Donn Curry (3/5) cdr / 1 View  
Ed Adams (3/5) CD / 1 B+ View   Audience---70 minutes
Notes: Known as Our Man in Nirvana on the Beat the Boots release
stlw8ing (3/0) FLAC / 1 View   SBD
Jim Decker (3/5) CDR / 1 View   SBD
King of the Gypsies (2/5) / View  
Art (2/0) FLAC / 1 View   Stage Mics Cassette
Notes: [75 min] with Wild Man Fischer
Franck (2/5) FLAC/CDR / 1 A- View   SBD> ?? > WM Fisher's cassette > Akaii GX-570 D2 w/ Dolby
Notes: A copy of Wild-Man Fisher’s cassette [38:40]
Jojo Fischer (2/5) cdr / 1 B View   aud
Notes: "The string quartet"
Patrick (2/0) cdr / 1 View  
Charissa (2/5) cdr / 1 View  
Kaz (1/5) cdr / 1 View  
Notes: 'Our Man In Nirvana`
thegreatdivide6 (1/0) flac / 0 View   traded CD-R > previous FZ Shows seed flac > Soundforge 9: speed correction, phase offset & drop...
Notes: audience
thegreatdivide6 (1/0) flac / View   soundboard > ?? > WM Fisher's cassette > Akaii GX-570 D2 w/ Dolby
Notes: sbd
Jerry Morgan (1/5) cd / 1 View  
Notes: The String Quartet
Herandnu (1/5) cdr / 1 A- View  
Notes: [Fullerton] SBD. w. Wild Man Fisher.
Mark Diamond (1/3) / 1 View  
Jim (1/5) CDR / 1 View   soundboard > ?? > WM Fisher's cassette > Akaii GX-570 D2 w/ Dolby
Notes: A copy of Wild-Man Fisher’s cassette
Randy Foley (1/5) CDR / 1 B+ View   UNK
Notes: (70:51) [allegedly from keyboardist Don Preston's stage recording; a nice sounding recording in any case]
Jim O'Brien (1/4.9) CD / 1 View   SBD>??>CD -
wharfratpat (1/4) FLAC / 1 View   SBD
Rich Gaul (1/5) CD / 1 View  
Danny Smack (1/5) / 1 A- View   SBD?
RavenBlackNight (1/5) cdr / 1 View   Our Man In Nirvana [Liberated Bootleg]
Bruce Burnett (1/5) DAT/CDR / 1 A View   SBD
Brian (0/0) / 0 View   sbd.unknown.flyingm.flac16
Michael Hotz (0/5) CD / 1 View  
Notes: Liberated Bootleg - Our Man in Nirvana
ChiefBud (0/5) cdr / 1 View  
Garrett Mitchell (0/0) / 0 View  
Ron Broman (0/5) FLAC / 1 View  
Notes: stage mics
The Swingin'Pig (0/0) lossless / 1 View   Mystery Box - 'Pigs & Repugnant'
Notes: Only the fowwlowing tracks : 3. The Wild Man Fischer Story [Fischer] (03:34) 4. I'm The Meany [Fischer] (01:34) 5. Bacon Fat [Andre Williams / Brown] (03:32) 6. King Kong (28:41)
The Swingin'Pig (0/0) lossless / 1 View   Mystery Box - 'Son of Pigs & Repugnant'
Notes: Only the following tracks : 1. The String Quartet (24:05)
Derek (0/0) FLAC / 1 View  
Justin Green (0/4.9) CDR / 1 View  
Notes: Our Man In Nirvana
Justin Green (0/4.9) flac / 1 View  
George Humphreys (0/0) CDR / 1 View  
BIKIN (0/0) CD-R / 1 View  
ZP (0/0) FLAC / 1 A- A- View   Stage
Notes: Sometimes circulates listed as a SBD – ambience and the original source leads me to believe this is a stage recording. Only recorded show with Wild Man Fisher.