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Grateful Dead 12/17/1970

SHOWID 377416

Set I

Hard To Handle
Candyman
Me And My Uncle
Cold Rain And Snow
Dancing In The Street
Uncle John's Band

Set II

 

Set III

 

Comment

7/17/2018 Update - there is very good evidence and reason to believe that there was NO 12/17/70 show. Not at the Winterland, and not at The Matrix. According to Charlie Miller, this music comes from 10/4/70 & 10/5/70. A series of mixups and confusing events have led to the interpretation of a show on this date. For example, the date 12/17 and 12/23 come from Vault master tapes, but were the mixdown dates, not the event dates. See http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2010/10/mysterious-case-of-121770.html for all the answers.

The venue is conjectural. Deadlists identifies it as the Matrix, based on Eaton's transcript of the vault reel. However, when Dick copied the show to cassette, he attached the following label: "Here is something I have, that was labeled 12/17/70 - Winterland."

A long-standing confusion between this show and the Owsley benefit held at Winterland on 12/23/70, continues to infect GD tapelists. The first four songs, "Hard to Handle" through "Cold Rain and Snow," were put into general circulation by the Bay Area Tapers Group in the mid-1990s, and continue to be mislabeled as 12/23/70.

Collectors With This Show

User (active/rating) Media / # Show Sound Details DB Source User Source
John H (5/5) flac / 1 A A View   soundboard
Notes: SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
OldNeumanntapr (5/5) FLAC / 0 A View 87356 Soundboard; Master Reel >Master Cass? >Cass >Cool Edit >FLAC
Notes: caveat: The venue is conjectural. Deadlists identifies it as the Matrix, based on Eaton's transcript of the vault reel. However, when Dick copied the show to cassette, he attached the following label: "Here is something I have, that was labeled 12/17/70 - Winterland." A long-standing confusion between this show and the Owsley benefit held at Winterland on 12/23/70, continues to infect GD tapelists. The first four songs, "Hard to Handle" through "Cold Rain and Snow," were put into general circulation by the Bay Area Tapers Group in the mid-1990s, and continue to be mislabeled as 12/23/70. (One LMA Reviewer Thought This Could Be 10/5/70 Winterland)
Joe (5/5) FLAC / 0 View 87356
CJ (5/4.7) FLAC / 1 View 87356
Brian Donohue (5/5) / 0 View 87356 SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
sean hite (5/0) FLAC / 0 View 87356
Notes: 87356 flac16; SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
Born Cross Eyed (5/5) FLAC / 1 View 87356
Notes: SBD - Unknown
Blair Waldron (5/0) / 0 View 87356
Ifthir (5/0) .flac / 0 View 87356
Jeff Mitchell (5/0) / 0 View 87356
Jordan Jacobs (5/3) Flac/2 / 0 View   SBD
Notes: SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
thrak (5/5) flac / 1 View 87356 flac16; SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
Brent Easton (5/4.9) CDR / 1 A A View 87356 SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
neal r (5/4) / 1 View 87356
Notes: 485
Chefb (5/0) FLAC / 1 View 87356
Jeff Schlingbaum (5/5) CDR / 1 A- View   SBD
Notes: Only first 4 songs
Brad Foster (4/4.9) FLAC / 1 View   SBD > Master Reel > Master Cass? > Cass > CoolEdit > FLAC
shakedown80 (4/4) / 0 View 87356
zowie (3/5) cd / 1 a View 87356 sdb
Richard Warren (3/5) flac / 1 View 87356
Notes: 87356
tomtaper4 (3/3.5) / A- View 87356
tomtaper4 (3/3.5) / A- View 87356
Mike Pageau (3/0) SBD 14 / 1 View 87356
Nickhead (3/0) / 0 View 87356
J (3/0) / 0 View 87356
Boisedeadhead (3/0) CDR / 1 View 87356 SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
Notes: 1. Hard to Handle 2. Candyman 3. Me and My Uncle 4. Cold Rain and Snow 5. Dancing in the Street 6. Uncle John's Band Source: SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac The venue is conjectural. Deadlists identifies it as the Matrix, based on Eaton's transcript of the vault reel. However, when Dick copied the show to cassette, he attached the following label: "Here is something I have, that was labeled 12/17/70 - Winterland." A long-standing confusion between this show and the Owsley benefit held at Winterland on 12/23/70, continues to infect GD tapelists. The first four songs, "Hard to Handle" through "Cold Rain and Snow," were put into general circulation by the Bay Area Tapers Group in the mid-1990s, and continue to be mislabeled as 12/23/70.
AlanZ (3/0) FLAC / 1 View 87356
TLEO (3/0) flac16 / 0 View   sbd
TLEO (3/0) flac / 0 View   sbd
Marc Deardorff (2/5) flac / 1 View 87356
Notes: SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
My Home (2/0) Flac 16 / 0 View 87356 flac16 ; SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
OBIE (2/5) FLAC / 2 View 87356
Marshall (2/5) Flac / 1 View  
Michael McMullan (2/5) CDR/FLAC / 1 A View 87356 SBD
Dan Walter (2/0) Hard Drive / 0 View 87356
John Peters (1/0) FLAC / 1 View 87356 SBD: MR > MC? > C > Cool Edit Pro > FLAC
kevin boland (1/4.8) Flac / 1 View  
Geoff MacNaughton (1/5) 1 / 1 A- View 87356
cbass (1/5) FLAC / 0 View 87356
quimbo (1/5) FLAC / 0 View 87356 SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
SIRMick (1/5) FLAC / 1 View 87356
Richard Markley (1/5) flac / 1 View 87356
Notes: HD3
michael rosenberg (1/5) flac / 1 View 87356 SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
Gary Field (1/5) 87356 / 1 View 87356 SBD
Notes: SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac [081229.1]
phil (1/5) flac / 0 a- View 87356 sbdmr>c>cd
Notes: see notes. 1970 project part 8
CDJones (1/5) FLAC/CDR / 1 View 87356
Notes: 87356
Stuart Ferguson (1/4.7) CDR / 1 View 87356 Soundboard
Notes: DVD 3501; lineage: SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
Matt Vernon (1/4.8) FLAC / 1 A/B A/B View 87356
Notes: flac16; SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac Note this about the date: "The venue is conjectural. Deadlists identifies it as the Matrix, based on Eaton's transcript of the vault reel. However, when Dick copied the show to cassette, he attached the following label: "Here is something I have, that was labeled 12/17/70 - Winterland." A long-standing confusion between this show and the Owsley benefit held at Winterland on 12/23/70, continues to infect GD tapelists. The first four songs, "Hard to Handle" through "Cold Rain and Snow," were put into general circulation by the Bay Area Tapers Group in the mid-1990s, and continue to be mislabeled as 12/23/70. " [2009-10-10]Fairly clear, hiss free sbd - i do not know how this matches up with material on 12/23/70
SpiralLightofVenus (1/5) FLAC / 0 SBD View 87356
Notes: SBD TB4
GratefulBrad (1/5) flac / 0 View 87356
winterland121072 (1/0) / 0 View 87356
Israel Frankel (1/0) flac cd-r / 1 View 87356
Steve Sawyer (1/4.6) FLAC / 1 View 87356 SBD
Tommy Danscuk (1/5) flac / 1 View 87356 Sbd > Reel
brett garvey (1/5) FLAC / 1 A View 87356 SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
Notes: gd 079
LossLess Legs (1/0) CDR / 1 View 87356
Notes: 01/25/2009 - norm
Danny Smack (1/5) CDR / 1 A View 87356 SBD>MR>C
David Backus (1/5) DVDR/FLAC / 0 View 87356 SBD
raincooker (1/0) / 1 A View   SOUNDBOARD, All
Kima (1/0) flac / 1 View 87356
Erik (1/0) / 0 View 87356
jgglass (1/0) / 1 View 87356
Martin M. Pedersen (1/3) flac / 1 A View   SBD > Master Reel > Master Cassette? > Cassette > CoolEdit > Flac
Notes: gd70-12-17t01.flac:e6880fc9c28c3b35aa0f25c92638a344 gd70-12-17t02.flac:cf162810063c1126ee34ba9a4ff2b464 gd70-12-17t03.flac:126ebe1d720b1638c1797cc04a304092 gd70-12-17t04.flac:068a221efe5c0aae275a05ee6f2aabf7 gd70-12-17t05.flac:f14c37703f33df5171316c1579466fe1 gd70-12-17t06.flac:506518f25e7abaee535de4c00bebde15
blackcrowes92 (1/0) FLAC / 1 View 87356
BarryW (0/0) / 0 View 87356
Manfred Jungeblut (0/0) / 0 View 87356
Eric Richbourg (0/0) flac / 1 View 87356
Karl (0/0) FLAC / 0 View 87356
Keith (0/0) / 0 A- View  
Notes: SBD
evas (0/0) cdr/data / 1 View 87356
stocky (0/0) / 0 A View  
Fred (0/0) / 0 View 87356
hobbulus@gmail.com (0/0) / 0 View 87356
Casey (0/0) / 0 View 87356
Jono (0/0) / 0 View 87356
Tanner (0/0) / 0 View 87356
Nick Gerold (0/1) CDR / 1 View 87356 SBD
Bob Abrams (0/5) FLAC / 1 View 87356
darkstar1964 (0/0) / 0 View 87356
Notes: gd70-12-17.sbd.unk.87356.sbeok.flac