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Return to Forever 03/27/1975

SHOWID 461236

Set I

Space Circus
The Shadow Of Lo
Vulcan Worlds
Lopsy Lu
Celebration Suite

Set II

 

Set III

 

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User (active/rating) Media / # Show Sound Details DB Source User Source
michael kass (5/5) / 2 View  
Daniel (4/0) / View   Both sources (see notes): pre-FM reels>cassette Source 1, from Steve H, transferred by...
Notes: Steve H (fzmoi69) notes for taperchuck3 (source 2): After many years of searching I believe this is the final and complete show. As the story goes if I remember this correctly this broadcast that I originally had was posted here and around the world years ago it was missing the first 2 songs. The feed from the studio to the radio station was having problems for the first 2 numbers therefore only the remainder the show was broadcast. As with the Coryell show I just posted I found someone from the radio station to raid the vault and grab me the reels from both broadcasts. I could never find the cassette of the RTF show with the beginning and just found out that my good friend Taperchuk being the music junkie that he is unknown to me also hunted the same guy down and got direct transfers of both shows to cassettes - the only difference is thank god he could still find his. So here it is after 35 years of being lost I know what I know to be the entire show. Direct from the master reels to cassette to you. This one is for Ian aka glasnostrd19. Huge thanks to Chuck for making this happen!!! Ross (ledwhofloyd) notes, Dec 2025: This project has been in the works for a while. My original plan in 2023 was just to revise the taperchuck3 source to mainly fix the phase inversion. This would have been similar to Hairy Botch's remaster of taperchuck3's source, but without his EQ, compression, and limiting. However, I realized that Lopsy Lu on taperchuck3's transfer was very poor quality due to tape degradation. As Steve H explained to me, the problem is that taperchuck3 transferred the reels>cassette years later than him and apparently the reels were starting to suffer from dropouts, loss of fidelity, etc. Hence, a source mix became the preferred approach, but the added complexity of the project led me to put it on the backburner for almost 3 years! doctorzap's transfer of Steve H's cassettes is quite jumbled with parts in the wrong order. It is very peak limited and I do not love its frequency balance. However, the quality of Lopsy Lu is significantly better on Steve H's. Ideally, Steve H's tapes could be retransferred but he explained to me in early 2023 that this was not a realistic option at the time. It was a closer call for which source to use for Vulcan Worlds and the first half of Celebration Suite, but I decided that Steve H's tapes were preferrable for them as well. Steve H's source was missing the first 5 sec of Celebration Suite and the middle ~3 minutes of Vulcan Worlds so I patched those parts with Chuck's. Source 1 (Steve H) ^ editing notes: -the first part of Vulcan Worlds up to the cut (6:43) was 2.35% slow -the second part of Vulcan Worlds started 3.0% slow, got slower through Lopsy Lu and ended 3.5% slow -Celebration Suite started 3.0% slow and started to get even slower about 3 min in, reaching 3.4% slow when it cut out (~11.5 min) -So speed corrected -automatically balanced levels -moderate EQ to obtain a more natural frequency distribution, which required boosting <100 Hz, attenuating the 200 Hz range, boosting the midrange, and attenuating > 3 kHz Source 2 (taperchuck3) * editing notes: -removed repeated ~5 sec at the start -the first part of the recording was phase inverted -for mono or narrow stereo field recordings, phase inversion is a serious issue because it causes the low frequency range from a set of stereo speakers to destructively interfere with each other, resulting in a thin sound -The channels are very different on this recording due to strong instrument separation, so the phase inversion was not as serious a problem as it would be for a mono recording -Corrected by inverting the left channel for: -Tracks 1-5 and 6 patch, except for a ~6 sec part after the cut following The Shadow Of Lo where Lenny White talks -For tracks 1-5, adjusted the alignment of the channels by 1 sample -The pitch/speed was mostly fine, except that the 2nd half of Shadow of Lo started to slow down and ended 1.0% slow, and the 2nd half of Space Circus also started to slow down and ended 0.5% slow, so I fixed them -automatically balanced levels -only EQed the Vulcan Worlds middle section patch to better match the frequency balance of source 1 Source mixing: -used short crossfades (<0.5 sec) on both sides of the Vulcan Worlds patch -no crossfades for the Celebration Suite merges because I could make it sound reasonably seamless without crossfades due to how the music was performed at the merge points
Chris Larson (3/5) flac / 1 A B+ View   FM > ? > flac
Notes: 375mb/56min, very good recording but for some noise/static periodically throughout, appears to be a partial setlist 1. Beyond the 7th Galaxy 2. The shadow of lo 3. Vulcan Worlds 4. Lopsy Lu 5. Celebration suite
Chris Larson (3/5) flac / 1 A A- View   WPLR-FM > Nikko receiver > old Radio Shack mic recorder (unknown model) > Maxell UD C90...
Notes: 263mb/45min, taper paused between tracks, different setlist than other source: 1. Jungle Waterfall 2. Dayride 3. Hymn of the 7th Galaxy 4. Shadow of Low 5. Vulcan Worlds 6. Loopsie Lu broadcast April 7, 1975
nick22 (2/5) CDR / 1 A+ View   FM
OBIE (2/5) FLAC / 1 View  
Aaron Montalvo (2/2) CD / 1 View   WPLR-FM > Nikko receiver > old Radio Shack mic recorder (unknown model) > Maxell UD...
Notes: RTF is awesome. I haven't heard this but I can guarantee it'd be worth trading for.
michael rosenberg (1/5) flac / 1 A A View   pre-FM reel>cass>flac taperchuck3
Calvin (0/0) / View  
Pat (0/4.8) flac 16 / 1 View   Pre-FM
Notes: Lineage: pre-FM reel>cass>flac taperchuck3 Transfer: Dragon nr-out>zoomH4 16/44.1>hcsd 8gb >Audacity>TLH>flac16.
Max W (0/0) / 0 View