Grateful Dead 05/23/1972
Lyceum Ballroom, London, England
Source Summary
Lineage (most likely):10" 2-track RM > C > D > C speed corrected, complete 4 disk version via Unicorn
Lineage (most likely):10" 2-track RM > C > D > C speed corrected, complete 4 disk version via Unicorn
Other Sources
SHNID 2581 partial; sdb> MR> PCM> CD; via Mike Lai
SHNID 16089 Another shn set claiming this lineage "lineage...
SHNID 17700 MSR>C>DAT>CD>EAC>WAV>SHN via Andy Lemieux...
SHNID 32863 flac16 ; Set 2 partial; MSR>C>DAT>CD;...
SHNID 97816 flac16 ; 2 track soundboard recording...
Grateful Dead
5/23/72
Strand Lyceum
London, England
This is a speed corrected and restored version of the complete 4-disc set that is
circulating. It replaces that set and an older 3-disc version that cut off during
"Comes A Time".
The 4-disc source was missing the beginning of "Dark Star" and "He's Gone".
Those parts were restored using clips from the 3-disc set. Also restored was
a short blurb from Weir at the end of "Morning Dew". "Ramble On Rose" has been
moved to the beginning of disc 3 where it belongs. Detailed notes on the
restoration are below.
Thanks to terrapinstation for providing the newer 4-disc set that this was based on.
Mick (Unicorn)
lineage unknown, but believed to be 10" 2-track reel master>1 cassette generation>DAT>
1 cassette generation>circulation listed at www.resourcesfortraders.com
** Set 1 **
Disc 1 [67:35]
1. Promised Land 3:24
2. Sugaree 7:39
3. Mr. Charlie 4:37
4. Black Throated Wind 5:33
5. Tennessee Jed 7:23
6. Next Time You See Me 5:04
7. Jack Straw 4:50
8. China Cat Sunflower > 5:47
9. I Know You Rider 5:17
10. Me & My Uncle 3:11
11. Chinatown Shuffle 3:06
12. Big Railroad Blues 3:55
13. Two Souls in Communion 7:49
Disc 2 [43:16]
1. Playin In the Band 12:37
2. Sittin? On Top of the World 3:23
3. Rockin Pneumonia 5:11
4. Mexicali Blues 3:31
5. Good Lovin 11:51
6. Casey Jones 6:43
** Set 2 **
Disc 3 [49:14]
7. Ramble On Rose 6:04
1. Dark Star > 31:26
2. Morning Dew 11:44
Disc 4 [49:34]
1. He's Gone 8:07
2. Sugar Magnolia 6:49
3. Comes a Time 6:54
4. Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad > 8:38
5. Not Fade Away > 12:07
Hey Bo Diddley >
Not Fade Away
** Encore **
6. Uncle John's Band 6:59
posted to abgdhs 04/2003 by Unicorn
** Restoration notes **
Source tapes:
SourceA - A complete version of the show and the primary source for this
recording, but the beginning of "Dark Star" and "He's Gone" are missing.
Tape speed is fast by .95% to 1.5%. Volume levels on most tracks had been
pushed to the point that there is digital clipping, although it is largely
inaudible. Disk 1 has several clicks.
SourceB - A 178 minute version that ends part way through "Comes A Time",
but with a complete "Dark Star" and "He's Gone". The volume levels are
7 dB lower than SourceA, there is more tape hiss, and it runs 2.25% slow.
Both of theses sources came, ultimately, from the same soundboard tape.
For this restoration, I used Cool Edit Pro as my WAV editor. Also used were
Sonic Foundry's Clipped Peak Restoration tool from Noise Reduction 2.0a, and
Wave's X-Noise noise reduction tool from Restoration Bundle 1.0.
Noise reduction was done only on the missing parts of "Dark Star" and "He's
Gone" from SourceB. All tracks had the DC Offset corrected to zero. And
most of the tracks were run through Clipped Peak Restoration with the
post-limiter enabled.
The speed correction probably won't be noticable to anyone but musicians who
try to play along with the music.
Silence that was removed was actual silence, not quiet time between songs.
Finally, I changed no EQ settings or volume levels except on the clips from
SourceB.
* Disc 1 (all tracks slowed by 1.25% except T13, 1.5%)
D1T01 Removed click at 3:08
D1T03 Removed click at 4:04
D1T06 Removed click at 4:40
D1T07 Smoothed tape transition at 4:40
D1T10 Removed 18 seconds of silence at the end of the track and a 2 1/3
second clip that was a repeat of the beginning of "China Cat
Sunflower". How it ended up here I'll never know.
D1T11 Removed clicks at 2:40 & 2:47 & 2:54
D1T13 Removed 2 minutes 48 seconds of silence at the end of the track
* Disc 2 (all tracks slowed by 1.5%)
D2T02 Smoothed tape transition at 3:19
slowed 1.75%
D2T03 Remove 7.4 seconds of redundant sound at 4:54.
slowed 1.75%
D2T04 Removed 1/3 second of redunant sound at 0:18.6
* Disc 3 (all tracks slowed by .95%)
D3T01 Remove 2 minutes 39 seconds of silence at the end of the track
D3T02 After speeding up SourceB 2.25%, boosting volume levels 7dB, and
applying noise reduction and EQ, the first 1:13 was pasted onto
the beginning of the SourceA "Dark Star". Not quite as seamless
as the "He's Gone" patch due to differences in the stereo fields
of the two sources, but still pretty darn good.
D3T03 SourceB
5/23/72
Strand Lyceum
London, England
This is a speed corrected and restored version of the complete 4-disc set that is
circulating. It replaces that set and an older 3-disc version that cut off during
"Comes A Time".
The 4-disc source was missing the beginning of "Dark Star" and "He's Gone".
Those parts were restored using clips from the 3-disc set. Also restored was
a short blurb from Weir at the end of "Morning Dew". "Ramble On Rose" has been
moved to the beginning of disc 3 where it belongs. Detailed notes on the
restoration are below.
Thanks to terrapinstation for providing the newer 4-disc set that this was based on.
Mick (Unicorn)
lineage unknown, but believed to be 10" 2-track reel master>1 cassette generation>DAT>
1 cassette generation>circulation listed at www.resourcesfortraders.com
** Set 1 **
Disc 1 [67:35]
1. Promised Land 3:24
2. Sugaree 7:39
3. Mr. Charlie 4:37
4. Black Throated Wind 5:33
5. Tennessee Jed 7:23
6. Next Time You See Me 5:04
7. Jack Straw 4:50
8. China Cat Sunflower > 5:47
9. I Know You Rider 5:17
10. Me & My Uncle 3:11
11. Chinatown Shuffle 3:06
12. Big Railroad Blues 3:55
13. Two Souls in Communion 7:49
Disc 2 [43:16]
1. Playin In the Band 12:37
2. Sittin? On Top of the World 3:23
3. Rockin Pneumonia 5:11
4. Mexicali Blues 3:31
5. Good Lovin 11:51
6. Casey Jones 6:43
** Set 2 **
Disc 3 [49:14]
7. Ramble On Rose 6:04
1. Dark Star > 31:26
2. Morning Dew 11:44
Disc 4 [49:34]
1. He's Gone 8:07
2. Sugar Magnolia 6:49
3. Comes a Time 6:54
4. Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad > 8:38
5. Not Fade Away > 12:07
Hey Bo Diddley >
Not Fade Away
** Encore **
6. Uncle John's Band 6:59
posted to abgdhs 04/2003 by Unicorn
** Restoration notes **
Source tapes:
SourceA - A complete version of the show and the primary source for this
recording, but the beginning of "Dark Star" and "He's Gone" are missing.
Tape speed is fast by .95% to 1.5%. Volume levels on most tracks had been
pushed to the point that there is digital clipping, although it is largely
inaudible. Disk 1 has several clicks.
SourceB - A 178 minute version that ends part way through "Comes A Time",
but with a complete "Dark Star" and "He's Gone". The volume levels are
7 dB lower than SourceA, there is more tape hiss, and it runs 2.25% slow.
Both of theses sources came, ultimately, from the same soundboard tape.
For this restoration, I used Cool Edit Pro as my WAV editor. Also used were
Sonic Foundry's Clipped Peak Restoration tool from Noise Reduction 2.0a, and
Wave's X-Noise noise reduction tool from Restoration Bundle 1.0.
Noise reduction was done only on the missing parts of "Dark Star" and "He's
Gone" from SourceB. All tracks had the DC Offset corrected to zero. And
most of the tracks were run through Clipped Peak Restoration with the
post-limiter enabled.
The speed correction probably won't be noticable to anyone but musicians who
try to play along with the music.
Silence that was removed was actual silence, not quiet time between songs.
Finally, I changed no EQ settings or volume levels except on the clips from
SourceB.
* Disc 1 (all tracks slowed by 1.25% except T13, 1.5%)
D1T01 Removed click at 3:08
D1T03 Removed click at 4:04
D1T06 Removed click at 4:40
D1T07 Smoothed tape transition at 4:40
D1T10 Removed 18 seconds of silence at the end of the track and a 2 1/3
second clip that was a repeat of the beginning of "China Cat
Sunflower". How it ended up here I'll never know.
D1T11 Removed clicks at 2:40 & 2:47 & 2:54
D1T13 Removed 2 minutes 48 seconds of silence at the end of the track
* Disc 2 (all tracks slowed by 1.5%)
D2T02 Smoothed tape transition at 3:19
slowed 1.75%
D2T03 Remove 7.4 seconds of redundant sound at 4:54.
slowed 1.75%
D2T04 Removed 1/3 second of redunant sound at 0:18.6
* Disc 3 (all tracks slowed by .95%)
D3T01 Remove 2 minutes 39 seconds of silence at the end of the track
D3T02 After speeding up SourceB 2.25%, boosting volume levels 7dB, and
applying noise reduction and EQ, the first 1:13 was pasted onto
the beginning of the SourceA "Dark Star". Not quite as seamless
as the "He's Gone" patch due to differences in the stereo fields
of the two sources, but still pretty darn good.
D3T03 SourceB
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Date: 12/01/2003
User:
Lewis/Klitschko
I would like to know how it was ascertained that the tape was too slow. Because the instruments? Is it not possible the instruments were not mistuned to perhaps slightly sharper than E during the actual event? I question this because Jerry's voice (on the slowed "Rockin' Pneumonia") is little deep for this point in his career. Compare it to the prior seed and tell me what you think.
You could easily compare the song timings to the tracks that appear on Steppin' Out.
Date: 12/02/2003
User:
Lewis/Klitschko
Yes, let us know the result. I heard "Rockin' Pneumonia" and I wonder if he didn't respeed the show purely on the basis of the guitars, and who's to say the guitars weren't naturally sharp at the time?
Date: 02/02/2004
User:
Mike DeVuono
Thanks for the Dark Star! I prefer this source over all others.
Date: 02/02/2004
User:
Lewis/Klitschko
A competent job to be sure, but Garcia's voice is noticably in a lower register than on the Steppin' Out sections which are said to be derived from 5/23. (I just compared the "He's Gone" on disc four to Steppin' Out's 5/23's "Comes a Time.") But for all I know, the people who did Steppin' Out sped it up somewhat beyond reality.
Date: 02/02/2004
User:
Paul McFadyen
Whilst the guitars in a band can occasionally be tuned off concert pitch, this is unlikely to be the case in a band that also features Hammond organ (which *should* give a constant pitch, depending on voltage factors) and acoustic grand piano, which would be tuned to concert pitch professionally.
If the piano on this source sounds to be at the correct pitch, then the tape is running at the right speed!
If the piano on this source sounds to be at the correct pitch, then the tape is running at the right speed!
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