Grateful Dead 06/23/1974
Jai-Alai Fronton, Miami, FL
Source Summary
SBD, with patches (see updated info file for details, including about "blank" tracks); "painstakingly complete" version assembled by J. Belkin; also see additional comments from D. Sacks: contrary to original info file, primary SBD was not subject to NR; report from Skank: only discs 1&2 were posted? to abgd at first, fixed d3 before completing; to etree via A. Stern 2/2; pre-fixed d3 may have been etreed earlier- note fixed d3 has 10 tracks
SBD, with patches (see updated info file for details, including about "blank" tracks); "painstakingly complete" version assembled by J. Belkin; also see additional comments from D. Sacks: contrary to original info file, primary SBD was not subject to NR; report from Skank: only discs 1&2 were posted? to abgd at first, fixed d3 before completing; to etree via A. Stern 2/2; pre-fixed d3 may have been etreed earlier- note fixed d3 has 10 tracks
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SHNID 14265 AudMC > DAT > WAV > SHN Recorded by Jerry...
SHNID 16780 MSR>DAT>CD w/ MAC>DAT patches
SHNID 30846 Remaster of sbd w/ aud patches by Owens Brothers
SHNID 83489 flac 16 ; Sick Bits Vol. 21b - SBD/AUD Matrix...
SHNID 84615 flac16 ; source: aud cassette master akg...
SHNID 96890 AudMC > DAT>CD>DC6>CD Recorded by Jerry Moore...
SHNID 105755 flac24 ; aud cassette master, akg...
SHNID 105867 flac24 :Matrix by Hunter Seamons using Final...
SHNID 105983 flac16 ; Matrix By Hunter Seamons Using Final...
SHNID 116312 flac16 ; sbd>?>cd Mastered via the Apogee mini...
SHNID 122255 flac16 ; sbd>?>cd Mastered via the Apogee mini...
SHNID 122269 flac24 ; Matrix 3 Source Mix - SBD1 (shn id...
SHNID 122270 flac16 ; Matrix 3 Source Mix - SBD1 (shn id...
SHNID 122271 DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix ; SBD (shn id 116312)...
SHNID 145674 flac16 ; aud cassette master, akg...
SHNID 148679 flac16 ; source: aud cassette master; taped by...
updated info file below, followed by comments upon original, incorrect info file:
BAND Grateful Dead
VENUE Jai-Alai Fronton
CITY Miami
STATE FL
DATE 6/23/74
[Additional note on disc assembly from Josh (more details below)]:
"Two tracks, D1T3 and D3T1, don't have song titles. In the case of D1T3,
it's there so that the previous AUD/SBD mixed Ramble On Rose track is the
same length (well, nearly so, I goofed slightly I guess) as the
straight-SBD RoR at the end of Disk three, so that purists can take out
the mixed RoR and swap in the straight-SBD one if they want to rearrange
the tracks on Disk1. It was that or else make the straight-SBD RoR about
:58 longer. D3T1 mini-track is there so that I can have a proper track
marker at the start of Dark Star."
Source Lineage:
SBD>ReelM>DAT>CassetteM>DAT(3)>Prodif Plus card > Samplitude 2496 > Plextor 820 burner
* AUD >?>FM>cassette>A/D: Panasonic 3700>Prodif Plus>Samp2496
(Broadcast by WHRB-FM during Grateful Dead Orgy, early 1980's.)
** "Phil's Tape" SBD? >?>DAT(n) >Prodif Plus > Samp2496
Sound processing:
AUD source:
Dehum, Denoise, Timestretched to match SBD speed
"Phil's Tape" SBD: Timestretched to match SBD speed
The "Phil's Tape" source is probably the one mentioned in www.deadlists.com,
"made by Phil with mikes onstage", since the tape has no cuts.
The AUD source is probably the one mentioned in Taper's Compendium Vol. 1:
Jerry Moore & Les Kippel , AKG D-200 mikes > Sony 152 deck
Mastered Dec '99/Jan '00 by Josh Belkin josh-b@mediaone.net
DISK ONE
Set One: [68:37]
1. ...testing...this is a test... * [1:43]
2. Ramble On Rose @ [6:25]
3. [ :58]
4. Black Throated Wind [6:55]
5. ...Bermuda Triangle microphone weirdness... & [3:45]
6. Intro> [ :55]
7. Half-Step [7:43]
8. Beat It On Down the Line [4:00]
9. Row Jimmy Row ** [7:56]
10. Jackstraw [5:18]
11. Let It Rock [4:12]
12. Cumberland Blues [6:11]
13. El Paso [4:35]
14. To Lay me Down [7:59]
* AUD & about 20s in middle patched from AUD
@ mix of AUD + SBD sources until [2:13], then all SBD
** last 35 sec. patched from the "Phil's Tape" source
-----------------
DISK TWO
Set One: [52:02]
1. Weather Report Suite Prelude > [1:39]
2. Weather Report Suite Part 1 > [4:18]
3. Let It Grow > ** [10:36]
4. China Doll [5:32]
Set Two:
5. Ship of Fools Instrumental Jam > [4:10]
6. Ship of Fools [6:06]
7. Big River [4:51]
8. Black Peter [9:30]
9. Around and Around [5:18]
** ~20 seconds missing from SBD were patched from "Phil's Tape"
-----------------
DISK THREE
Set Two, continued: [73:28]
1. [ :14]
2. Dark Star > [17:33]
3. Spanish Jam > [4:16]
4. U.S. Blues ** [8:19]
5. Uncle John's Band [7:56]
6. One More Saturday Night [5:29]
7. e: Casey Jones [6:41]
8. Ramble On Rose - unprocessed AUD [8:01]
9. Ramble On Rose - processed AUD [7:55]
10. Ramble On Rose - straight SBD [6:29]
(not mixed with AUD, not Denoised)
** ~20 seconds missing from SBD were patched from "Phil's Tape"
--
additional comments from Darrin Sacks:
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:29:19 -0700
From: "Darrin N. Sacks"
To: etree@etree.org
Subject: [etree] Grateful Dead 6.23.74 - Patched has NO noise reduction
Hi,
A newly circulating show has an erroneous info file attached to it --
Contrary to the statement in the info file accompanying the 6.23.74 patched
soundboard that is circulating, the primary soundboard source used for this
show (the SBD>ReelM>DAT>CassetteM>DAT(3)>) that was used for all but a few
short segments was NOT subject to noise reduction. Although Josh, the guy
who performed the tremendous job of splicing in the cuts on the primary
soundboard from previously circulating audience and alternate soundboard
sources, did digitally process the alternate sources (he time aligned them
and denoised/dehummed them), he did not perform noise reduction on the
primary soundboard source that is circulating on the etree.
This misunderstanding occurred because Josh did perform noise reduction on
the primary soundboard source that he traded to a few of his friends.
However, we collectively decided that the version circulated on the etree &
on alt.binaries.gdead should not contain noise reduction -- and it does not.
Josh accidentally sent out cd covers to the etree and alt.binaries.gdead
seed sources for this show indicating that the primary soundboard source was
processed with noise reduction -- which it was not.
So, please disregard this annotation and don't pass up this gem of a show on
the mistaken understanding that it contains noise reduction.
While I'm on the topic, I should also point out that disk 3 of the show was
redone and re-seeded after its initial seeding to the etree. The show
should not have been distributed prior to the updated disk 3's seeding, but
its easy to tell if you have the "correct" disk 3 -- it has ten tracks.
Disk 3 was reseeded because, after Josh initially distributed the show, we
discovered that there was a reel flip in the middle of US Blues. On So Many
Roads, this reel flip was edited out by removing a chunk of the song (see
the liner notes). On the re-seeded version, this 20 second gap (pretty
impressive timing for re-threading a reel-to-reel deck, imho), was spliced
in from what is believed to be a stage miced version recorded by Phil (the
prior version had a cut at this point). This is the only difference.
That ought to do it -- given the recent thread regarding the "evils" of
noise reduction, I didn't want this amazing show & work of restoration to be
passed by. My advice -- download and uncompress a track or 2 (Josh's
blending of the aud source with the sbd source on Ramble On Rose -- d1t1 --
is amazing, and the Dark Star -- d3t1 -- sounds fabulous and allows people
with SMR to compare this source's sound quality to the very same song on
SMR) and decide what to do from there.
Siteops hosting this show -- it would be nice if you modified the info file
to remove the erroneous noise reduction info.
Darrin
BAND Grateful Dead
VENUE Jai-Alai Fronton
CITY Miami
STATE FL
DATE 6/23/74
[Additional note on disc assembly from Josh (more details below)]:
"Two tracks, D1T3 and D3T1, don't have song titles. In the case of D1T3,
it's there so that the previous AUD/SBD mixed Ramble On Rose track is the
same length (well, nearly so, I goofed slightly I guess) as the
straight-SBD RoR at the end of Disk three, so that purists can take out
the mixed RoR and swap in the straight-SBD one if they want to rearrange
the tracks on Disk1. It was that or else make the straight-SBD RoR about
:58 longer. D3T1 mini-track is there so that I can have a proper track
marker at the start of Dark Star."
Source Lineage:
SBD>ReelM>DAT>CassetteM>DAT(3)>Prodif Plus card > Samplitude 2496 > Plextor 820 burner
* AUD >?>FM>cassette>A/D: Panasonic 3700>Prodif Plus>Samp2496
(Broadcast by WHRB-FM during Grateful Dead Orgy, early 1980's.)
** "Phil's Tape" SBD? >?>DAT(n) >Prodif Plus > Samp2496
Sound processing:
AUD source:
Dehum, Denoise, Timestretched to match SBD speed
"Phil's Tape" SBD: Timestretched to match SBD speed
The "Phil's Tape" source is probably the one mentioned in www.deadlists.com,
"made by Phil with mikes onstage", since the tape has no cuts.
The AUD source is probably the one mentioned in Taper's Compendium Vol. 1:
Jerry Moore & Les Kippel , AKG D-200 mikes > Sony 152 deck
Mastered Dec '99/Jan '00 by Josh Belkin josh-b@mediaone.net
DISK ONE
Set One: [68:37]
1. ...testing...this is a test... * [1:43]
2. Ramble On Rose @ [6:25]
3. [ :58]
4. Black Throated Wind [6:55]
5. ...Bermuda Triangle microphone weirdness... & [3:45]
6. Intro> [ :55]
7. Half-Step [7:43]
8. Beat It On Down the Line [4:00]
9. Row Jimmy Row ** [7:56]
10. Jackstraw [5:18]
11. Let It Rock [4:12]
12. Cumberland Blues [6:11]
13. El Paso [4:35]
14. To Lay me Down [7:59]
* AUD & about 20s in middle patched from AUD
@ mix of AUD + SBD sources until [2:13], then all SBD
** last 35 sec. patched from the "Phil's Tape" source
-----------------
DISK TWO
Set One: [52:02]
1. Weather Report Suite Prelude > [1:39]
2. Weather Report Suite Part 1 > [4:18]
3. Let It Grow > ** [10:36]
4. China Doll [5:32]
Set Two:
5. Ship of Fools Instrumental Jam > [4:10]
6. Ship of Fools [6:06]
7. Big River [4:51]
8. Black Peter [9:30]
9. Around and Around [5:18]
** ~20 seconds missing from SBD were patched from "Phil's Tape"
-----------------
DISK THREE
Set Two, continued: [73:28]
1. [ :14]
2. Dark Star > [17:33]
3. Spanish Jam > [4:16]
4. U.S. Blues ** [8:19]
5. Uncle John's Band [7:56]
6. One More Saturday Night [5:29]
7. e: Casey Jones [6:41]
8. Ramble On Rose - unprocessed AUD [8:01]
9. Ramble On Rose - processed AUD [7:55]
10. Ramble On Rose - straight SBD [6:29]
(not mixed with AUD, not Denoised)
** ~20 seconds missing from SBD were patched from "Phil's Tape"
--
additional comments from Darrin Sacks:
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:29:19 -0700
From: "Darrin N. Sacks"
To: etree@etree.org
Subject: [etree] Grateful Dead 6.23.74 - Patched has NO noise reduction
Hi,
A newly circulating show has an erroneous info file attached to it --
Contrary to the statement in the info file accompanying the 6.23.74 patched
soundboard that is circulating, the primary soundboard source used for this
show (the SBD>ReelM>DAT>CassetteM>DAT(3)>) that was used for all but a few
short segments was NOT subject to noise reduction. Although Josh, the guy
who performed the tremendous job of splicing in the cuts on the primary
soundboard from previously circulating audience and alternate soundboard
sources, did digitally process the alternate sources (he time aligned them
and denoised/dehummed them), he did not perform noise reduction on the
primary soundboard source that is circulating on the etree.
This misunderstanding occurred because Josh did perform noise reduction on
the primary soundboard source that he traded to a few of his friends.
However, we collectively decided that the version circulated on the etree &
on alt.binaries.gdead should not contain noise reduction -- and it does not.
Josh accidentally sent out cd covers to the etree and alt.binaries.gdead
seed sources for this show indicating that the primary soundboard source was
processed with noise reduction -- which it was not.
So, please disregard this annotation and don't pass up this gem of a show on
the mistaken understanding that it contains noise reduction.
While I'm on the topic, I should also point out that disk 3 of the show was
redone and re-seeded after its initial seeding to the etree. The show
should not have been distributed prior to the updated disk 3's seeding, but
its easy to tell if you have the "correct" disk 3 -- it has ten tracks.
Disk 3 was reseeded because, after Josh initially distributed the show, we
discovered that there was a reel flip in the middle of US Blues. On So Many
Roads, this reel flip was edited out by removing a chunk of the song (see
the liner notes). On the re-seeded version, this 20 second gap (pretty
impressive timing for re-threading a reel-to-reel deck, imho), was spliced
in from what is believed to be a stage miced version recorded by Phil (the
prior version had a cut at this point). This is the only difference.
That ought to do it -- given the recent thread regarding the "evils" of
noise reduction, I didn't want this amazing show & work of restoration to be
passed by. My advice -- download and uncompress a track or 2 (Josh's
blending of the aud source with the sbd source on Ramble On Rose -- d1t1 --
is amazing, and the Dark Star -- d3t1 -- sounds fabulous and allows people
with SMR to compare this source's sound quality to the very same song on
SMR) and decide what to do from there.
Siteops hosting this show -- it would be nice if you modified the info file
to remove the erroneous noise reduction info.
Darrin
Comments
Other Sources (comments)
AUD MR> R> DAT/1> HD> SHN>... (1)
AudMC > DAT > WAV > SHN... (4)
MSR>DAT>CD w/ MAC>DAT patches (7)
Remaster of sbd w/ aud... (0)
flac 16 ; Sick Bits Vol.... (0)
flac16 ; source: aud... (0)
AudMC > DAT>CD>DC6>CD... (0)
flac24 ; aud cassette... (0)
flac24 :Matrix by Hunter... (1)
flac16 ; Matrix By Hunter... (0)
flac16 ; sbd>?>cd Mastered... (0)
flac16 ; sbd>?>cd Mastered... (0)
flac24 ; Matrix 3 Source... (0)
flac16 ; Matrix 3 Source... (1)
DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix ; SBD... (0)
flac16 ; aud cassette... (0)
flac16 ; source: aud... (0)
AUD MR> R> DAT/1> HD> SHN>... (1)
AudMC > DAT > WAV > SHN... (4)
MSR>DAT>CD w/ MAC>DAT patches (7)
Remaster of sbd w/ aud... (0)
flac 16 ; Sick Bits Vol.... (0)
flac16 ; source: aud... (0)
AudMC > DAT>CD>DC6>CD... (0)
flac24 ; aud cassette... (0)
flac24 :Matrix by Hunter... (1)
flac16 ; Matrix By Hunter... (0)
flac16 ; sbd>?>cd Mastered... (0)
flac16 ; sbd>?>cd Mastered... (0)
flac24 ; Matrix 3 Source... (0)
flac16 ; Matrix 3 Source... (1)
DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix ; SBD... (0)
flac16 ; aud cassette... (0)
flac16 ; source: aud... (0)
Date: 09/20/2000
User:
Josh Belkin
I made up nice Word .DOC label files for this set. I scanned in the black&white architectural drawing
of the Wall of Sound at Hollywood Bowl (7-21-74) and have it in the label. Each .DOC file is therefore
kinda large (475 kb) because of the embedded .GIF, but I like 'em. They have all the info noted above
(genologies, track times). If you want these, leave a Comment here with your email (I'm not leaving
MY email 'cause I don't want spam) and I'll check back here every now and then.
of the Wall of Sound at Hollywood Bowl (7-21-74) and have it in the label. Each .DOC file is therefore
kinda large (475 kb) because of the embedded .GIF, but I like 'em. They have all the info noted above
(genologies, track times). If you want these, leave a Comment here with your email (I'm not leaving
MY email 'cause I don't want spam) and I'll check back here every now and then.
Date: 09/21/2000
User:
Diana Hamilton
A couple of follow up remarks to Josh's message:
According to Tom, this site is protected from spiders, so you can post your address without fear, Josh!
The db now has the capability to add cover links,
so if someone ends up donating hosting space, there could be a pointer from the date entry.
I'd rather the shn comment areas didn't get too chat board-y, and stayed higher content.
Thus, as admin I'd probably delete any "me too, please" posts here at intervals.
Finally, thanks again Josh for your hard work and generosity with this seed! :)
Date: 05/25/2002
User:
Randy Griesman
There is a very minor cut on d1t10 (Jack Straw) at 4:08. It seems the jam was cut short. An untrained ear most likely will not notice this. :)
Date: 03/29/2003
User:
Sean Cribbs
There is no cut in Jack Straw (or Jackstraw, for that matter).
Date: 03/30/2003
User:
Sean Cribbs
OK, well after further listens, there might be a cut in Jack Straw after all. :)
Date: 03/17/2004
User:
Tim Burke
This is the best 'To Lay Me Down' my ears have heard.
Any others electric versions compare?
Any others electric versions compare?
Date: 03/18/2004
User:
Lewis/Klitschko
The one on Dick's Picks 12?
Date: 03/18/2004
User:
Jason Moleton
3-27-88 To Lay Me down is very nice
The question was if other electric versions compare, and 3/27/88 has a great version. No one has compared it to 1974 so no need to be sarcastic.
Date: 03/20/2004
User:
Adam O.
Garcia's solo on this particular To Lay Me Down is absolutely devastating. In a nutshell, he rips one. And the sound quality on the seed is pretty damn good too. Big time Keith and Jer interplay.
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