Grateful Dead 10/20/1974
Winterland Arena, San Francisco, CA
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SHNID 94851 flac16 ; SBD>7" 1/2 track 7 1/2 IPS...
SHNID 97193 flac16 ; Lineage: Multitrack MR>2 track...
SHNID 132112 flac24 ; Lineage: 16 track "truck monitor mix"...
SHNID 132113 flac16 ; Lineage: 16 track "truck monitor mix"...
SHNID 170419 flac2496 ; Recording info: Sony ECM-22P mic...
SHNID 170420 flac1648 ; Recording info: Sony ECM-22P mic...
SHNID 176673 flac1648 Louis Falanga's Master Audience...
SHNID 176674 flac2496 Louis Falanga's Master Audience...
From: David A. Finney [dfinney@cts.com]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 7:26 PM
To: siteops@etree.org
Subject: Hosting Request gd74-10-20
I just got this show from the Frank's Picks round 4 tree. This date has apparently not yet been circulated on etree, so I'll upload it to your site if you'd like it. The tree also included 10-18 and 10-19, but these seem to have been circulated already. If anyone feels that these copies should be cuirculated as well, I'm happy to oblige.
from the web page
(http://frankspicks.org/fp4_Source_tape_info.htm):
[snip]
From: Rob Bertrando
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:17:22 -0800
Subject: Oct 1974 Winterland AUDs
The best sounding AUDs of this run (all 5 nights) were made by Charles Conner (sp?), using a Sony ECM-22P into a highly modified Sony mono portable. There is occasional wow/flutter, but the frequency response is great, and the hiss low.
I started the distribution of the "audiency"-sounding SBDs of the last three nights, in late 1976. They came to me on cassette, from Jerry Wexler's (of Atlantic Records fame) son or nephew, I forget the exact connection. I and about 4 others copied them to reel at that time, and copies have flowed since. Much more recently, SBDs of the 16th and 17th have surfaced, without the audience mix. I don't know if anyone has similar mixes of the last three nights for trade or listening.
[/snip]
Grateful Dead
Winterland
San Francisco, CA
10.20.74
sbd (thought to be rough mix tapes made for 'Steal Your Face' song selection)
[soapbox]
I already own 'Steal Your Face', both on vinyl and on CD. IMHO, it would show appropriate support for a band that is so generous with their copyrighted material for parties interested in this show to buy/already own a copy of 'Steal Your Face' as well.
'Steal Your Face' songs and dates, From Deadbase:
10-17 Casey Jones
10-18 Sugaree, BIODTL, Ship of Fools
10-19 Miss. 1/2 Step, El Paso, BT Wind, Big River, US Blues
10-20 CR&S, Around, Roses, Promised, Stella
[/soapbox]
disc 1
------
* Cold Rain and Snow
Mama Tried
Deal
Beat it on down the Line
Loser
Jack Straw
Tennesse Jed
El Paso
Brokedown Palace
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Around and Around
disc 2
------
Playin' in the Band
Drums
Not Fade Away
Drums
The Other One
Wharf Rat
Playin' in the Band
disc 3
------
Good Lovin'
It Must Have Been the Roses
Promised Land
Eyes of the World
Stella Blue
** Sugar Magnolia
** Johnny B. Goode
*** Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
*** And We Bid You Good Night
* slight splice during Cold Rain and Snow at 1:38.
** different source: unknown aud rig>Reel Master>dat
*** different source: unknown aud rig>?>dat, not as good as the first.
dfinney@cts.com
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 7:26 PM
To: siteops@etree.org
Subject: Hosting Request gd74-10-20
I just got this show from the Frank's Picks round 4 tree. This date has apparently not yet been circulated on etree, so I'll upload it to your site if you'd like it. The tree also included 10-18 and 10-19, but these seem to have been circulated already. If anyone feels that these copies should be cuirculated as well, I'm happy to oblige.
from the web page
(http://frankspicks.org/fp4_Source_tape_info.htm):
[snip]
From: Rob Bertrando
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:17:22 -0800
Subject: Oct 1974 Winterland AUDs
The best sounding AUDs of this run (all 5 nights) were made by Charles Conner (sp?), using a Sony ECM-22P into a highly modified Sony mono portable. There is occasional wow/flutter, but the frequency response is great, and the hiss low.
I started the distribution of the "audiency"-sounding SBDs of the last three nights, in late 1976. They came to me on cassette, from Jerry Wexler's (of Atlantic Records fame) son or nephew, I forget the exact connection. I and about 4 others copied them to reel at that time, and copies have flowed since. Much more recently, SBDs of the 16th and 17th have surfaced, without the audience mix. I don't know if anyone has similar mixes of the last three nights for trade or listening.
[/snip]
Grateful Dead
Winterland
San Francisco, CA
10.20.74
sbd (thought to be rough mix tapes made for 'Steal Your Face' song selection)
[soapbox]
I already own 'Steal Your Face', both on vinyl and on CD. IMHO, it would show appropriate support for a band that is so generous with their copyrighted material for parties interested in this show to buy/already own a copy of 'Steal Your Face' as well.
'Steal Your Face' songs and dates, From Deadbase:
10-17 Casey Jones
10-18 Sugaree, BIODTL, Ship of Fools
10-19 Miss. 1/2 Step, El Paso, BT Wind, Big River, US Blues
10-20 CR&S, Around, Roses, Promised, Stella
[/soapbox]
disc 1
------
* Cold Rain and Snow
Mama Tried
Deal
Beat it on down the Line
Loser
Jack Straw
Tennesse Jed
El Paso
Brokedown Palace
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Around and Around
disc 2
------
Playin' in the Band
Drums
Not Fade Away
Drums
The Other One
Wharf Rat
Playin' in the Band
disc 3
------
Good Lovin'
It Must Have Been the Roses
Promised Land
Eyes of the World
Stella Blue
** Sugar Magnolia
** Johnny B. Goode
*** Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
*** And We Bid You Good Night
* slight splice during Cold Rain and Snow at 1:38.
** different source: unknown aud rig>Reel Master>dat
*** different source: unknown aud rig>?>dat, not as good as the first.
dfinney@cts.com
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Date: 07/14/2000
User:
Diana Hamilton
This version suffers from a high-pitched hiss and, more seriously, a sense of "something missing," which appears to be the lower fequencies.
The 10/19/74 from the same source has the same problems. I have not heard the 10/18/74 from the same source, to compare.
Also, at least one part spot-checked (Brokedown Palace) sounded off pitch (slow).
The 10/19/74 from the same source has the same problems. I have not heard the 10/18/74 from the same source, to compare.
Also, at least one part spot-checked (Brokedown Palace) sounded off pitch (slow).
Date: 07/08/2004
User:
C Miller
The ** audience source sounds a little fast to me. Not too much, though. A decent audience, nonetheless. A complete show from that source would be nice.
Date: 07/15/2004
User:
Chuck Frolio
There are md5's for a 4th disc (Seastones A and Seastones B) but no corresponding SHN files for these tracks.
Date: 11/17/2004
User:
Lewis/Klitschko
There is a Phil and Ned segment, yes? Which point in the show? Before the "Playin'"?
Date: 11/18/2004
User:
Diana
As noted in the setlist entry here, "Phil Lesh and Ned Lagin ("Seastones") between sets". As noted by Chuck in the comments above, the presence of Seastones md5s in this record implies that there are/were circulating tracks for those segments- although they apparently haven't made it into the archived copy.
Date: 11/18/2004
User:
Diana
Heh, I see the tracks do exist in circulation because according to Greg's notes on our copy, we have them. :)
http://research.umbc.edu/~hamilton/Sources/gd741020gsh.txt
http://research.umbc.edu/~hamilton/Sources/gd741020gsh.txt
Date: 11/18/2004
User:
Lewis/Klitschko
Yes, but I'm wondering where in the show, chronologically, they appeared.
Date: 11/18/2004
User:
Diana
I take "between sets" to mean, between each set.
Date: 11/18/2004
User:
Matt
"Phil & Ned" or "Seastones" was always performed between sets... Then there are rare times the band joins in with Phil as the set begins.
Date: 11/18/2004
User:
Charlie Miller
It was between sets 1 and 2.
Date: 07/07/2006
User:
Greg Yurkovic
The first Seastones track is 27:26 in length, while the second is 12:58. It sounds to me like the second is just a partial version of the first. I'd also surmise that Phil & Ned didn't do 40 minutes of Seastones.
Is anyone else able to confirm or disprove this? There's really no info about those 2 tracks.
Is anyone else able to confirm or disprove this? There's really no info about those 2 tracks.
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