Grateful Dead 09/28/1972
Stanley Theatre, Jersey City, NJ
Source Summary
flac16; Primary Source: SBD> MR> DAT> CDR> WAV> SHN; patches and missing track from Unknown audience > C > ? > DAT >WAV > FLAC (level 8); AUD material courtesy Uli Teute via Jim Powell; via Chris Ladner?
flac16; Primary Source: SBD> MR> DAT> CDR> WAV> SHN; patches and missing track from Unknown audience > C > ? > DAT >WAV > FLAC (level 8); AUD material courtesy Uli Teute via Jim Powell; via Chris Ladner?
Other Sources
SHNID 157 set 2; master reel> pcm> dat> cdr; via M. Lai;...
SHNID 12657 SBD (probably sbd>mr>dat>cdr) Seeded by Bill...
SHNID 27584 SBD> MR> DAT> CDA> WAV> SHN> FLAC> DAW...
SHNID 34162 SBD>>MR>>DAT>>CDA>>WAV>>SHN>>FLAC>>DAW(Bertha)>...
SHNID 94268 flac16 ; Recording Info:SBD -> Master Reel ->...
SHNID 99843 flac16 ; source: aud; lineage: aud>?>7" reel @...
SHNID 110020 flac16 ; Bear's Cassette Copies Nakamichi Dr-1...
SHNID 136692 flac16 ; Source: Soundboard > Master-Reel >...
SHNID 170831 flac2448; Partial AUD; Source: Unknown AUD...
SHNID 170880 flac1644 Patched sbd by Brian Flegel
Grateful Dead
9-28-72
Stanley Theater
Jersey City, NJ
Primary Source: SBD>MR>DAT>CDR>WAV>SHN>WAV>FLAC.
Secondary source: Unknown audience > C > ? > DAT >WAV > FLAC.
See note about alternative tracking below.
Disc 1 - Set 1
01 Truckin'
02 Loser
03 Beat it on down the line
04 Brown-Eyed Women
05 Mexicali Blues
06 Mississippi Half-step
07 Black-Throated Wind
08 Don't Ease Me In
09 Big River
10 Tennessee Jed
11 Promised Land
12 China Cat Sunflower >
13 I Know You Rider
Disc 2 - Set 1 (cont'd)
01. Playin' In The Band
Set 2
02 Bertha>>
03 Greatest story ever told
04 Brokedown palace
05 Me & my uncle
06 Ramble on rose
07 Tuning
08 El Paso
09 He's Gone >
Disc 3 - Set 2 (cont'd)
01 Drums >
02 The Other One >
03 Jam >
04 Me & Bobby Magee >
05 The Other One >
06 Wharf Rat
07 Sugar Magnolia
08 Not Fade Away > Going Down The Road > Not Fade Away
Original SBD source via previously circulated SHNs http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=12657
Audience splice material provided by Uli Teute via Jim Powell.
Comments/flaws:
d1t01 - Truckin' completely absent from all previous sources; from audience.
d1t02 - muted vocals for 1st ~5:50 of Loser - on all copies.
d1t06 - missing 01:52 seconds of Half Step starting at "Across the rio grand-e-o... (04:00) spliced from audience source
d1t11 - splice from audience source completes the cut in IKYR.
d2t03 - removed short redundancy 05:23.4 - 05:45.7.
d3t05 - Fixed pop at 0:24.4 & 26.9 due to L&R channel inversion & dropout at 12:27.1
d3t06 - Removed 0.77 sec dropout at 0:48.3
Also the show is now tracked in order with the encore at the end of disc 3.
*** ALTERNATIVE TRACKING ***
Even though the entire show can be burnt in order on 3 80 minute discs, it has been recommended by Jim Powell that it is aesthetically better to burn the shows on 4 discs.
disc 1 - unchanged.
disc 2 - last track ends up being El Paso (second to last track as above).
disc 3 - starts out with last track of "d2" - "He's Gone - and runs through Wharf Rat.
disc 4 - Sugar Mag > NFA > GDTRFB > NFA.
SHNTOOL LEN OUTPUT:
length expanded size cdr WAVE probs filename
10:44.62 113747468 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t01.flac
6:36.02 69859148 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t02.flac
3:48.44 40322732 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t03.flac
5:14.32 55464908 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t04.flac
4:01.37 42599468 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t05.flac
5:08.16 54368876 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t06.flac
6:49.24 72204092 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t07.flac
4:10.65 44252924 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t08.flac
4:58.61 52710716 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t09.flac
8:25.12 89110268 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t10.flac
3:21.68 35616380 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t11.flac
6:16.09 66347612 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t12.flac
6:10.12 65296268 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t13.flac
20:47.49 220086092 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t01.flac
5:52.46 62201036 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t02.flac
5:38.50 59740844 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t03.flac
6:40.53 70684700 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t04.flac
3:13.58 34181660 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t05.flac
6:19.67 67013228 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t06.flac
0:15.18 2688380 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t07.flac
4:32.07 47997308 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t08.flac
12:43.00 134593244 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t09.flac
2:21.64 25022972 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t01.flac
20:54.39 221297372 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t02.flac
3:29.04 36877052 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t03.flac
6:01.66 63835676 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t04.flac
3:30.67 37201628 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t05.flac
11:02.60 116917964 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t06.flac
10:04.36 106630316 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t07.flac
21:10.11 224053916 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t08.flac
220:25.14 2332924248 B (totals for 30 files)
9-28-72
Stanley Theater
Jersey City, NJ
Primary Source: SBD>MR>DAT>CDR>WAV>SHN>WAV>FLAC.
Secondary source: Unknown audience > C > ? > DAT >WAV > FLAC.
See note about alternative tracking below.
Disc 1 - Set 1
01 Truckin'
02 Loser
03 Beat it on down the line
04 Brown-Eyed Women
05 Mexicali Blues
06 Mississippi Half-step
07 Black-Throated Wind
08 Don't Ease Me In
09 Big River
10 Tennessee Jed
11 Promised Land
12 China Cat Sunflower >
13 I Know You Rider
Disc 2 - Set 1 (cont'd)
01. Playin' In The Band
Set 2
02 Bertha>>
03 Greatest story ever told
04 Brokedown palace
05 Me & my uncle
06 Ramble on rose
07 Tuning
08 El Paso
09 He's Gone >
Disc 3 - Set 2 (cont'd)
01 Drums >
02 The Other One >
03 Jam >
04 Me & Bobby Magee >
05 The Other One >
06 Wharf Rat
07 Sugar Magnolia
08 Not Fade Away > Going Down The Road > Not Fade Away
Original SBD source via previously circulated SHNs http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=12657
Audience splice material provided by Uli Teute via Jim Powell.
Comments/flaws:
d1t01 - Truckin' completely absent from all previous sources; from audience.
d1t02 - muted vocals for 1st ~5:50 of Loser - on all copies.
d1t06 - missing 01:52 seconds of Half Step starting at "Across the rio grand-e-o... (04:00) spliced from audience source
d1t11 - splice from audience source completes the cut in IKYR.
d2t03 - removed short redundancy 05:23.4 - 05:45.7.
d3t05 - Fixed pop at 0:24.4 & 26.9 due to L&R channel inversion & dropout at 12:27.1
d3t06 - Removed 0.77 sec dropout at 0:48.3
Also the show is now tracked in order with the encore at the end of disc 3.
*** ALTERNATIVE TRACKING ***
Even though the entire show can be burnt in order on 3 80 minute discs, it has been recommended by Jim Powell that it is aesthetically better to burn the shows on 4 discs.
disc 1 - unchanged.
disc 2 - last track ends up being El Paso (second to last track as above).
disc 3 - starts out with last track of "d2" - "He's Gone - and runs through Wharf Rat.
disc 4 - Sugar Mag > NFA > GDTRFB > NFA.
SHNTOOL LEN OUTPUT:
length expanded size cdr WAVE probs filename
10:44.62 113747468 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t01.flac
6:36.02 69859148 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t02.flac
3:48.44 40322732 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t03.flac
5:14.32 55464908 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t04.flac
4:01.37 42599468 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t05.flac
5:08.16 54368876 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t06.flac
6:49.24 72204092 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t07.flac
4:10.65 44252924 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t08.flac
4:58.61 52710716 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t09.flac
8:25.12 89110268 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t10.flac
3:21.68 35616380 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t11.flac
6:16.09 66347612 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t12.flac
6:10.12 65296268 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d1t13.flac
20:47.49 220086092 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t01.flac
5:52.46 62201036 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t02.flac
5:38.50 59740844 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t03.flac
6:40.53 70684700 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t04.flac
3:13.58 34181660 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t05.flac
6:19.67 67013228 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t06.flac
0:15.18 2688380 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t07.flac
4:32.07 47997308 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t08.flac
12:43.00 134593244 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d2t09.flac
2:21.64 25022972 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t01.flac
20:54.39 221297372 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t02.flac
3:29.04 36877052 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t03.flac
6:01.66 63835676 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t04.flac
3:30.67 37201628 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t05.flac
11:02.60 116917964 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t06.flac
10:04.36 106630316 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t07.flac
21:10.11 224053916 --- -- -xx gd72-09-28d3t08.flac
220:25.14 2332924248 B (totals for 30 files)
Comments
Other Sources (comments)
set 2; master reel> pcm>... (3)
SBD (probably... (4)
SBD> MR> DAT> CDA> WAV>... (4)
SBD>>MR>>DAT>>CDA>>WAV>>SHN... (0)
flac16 ; Recording... (5)
flac16 ; source: aud;... (0)
flac16 ; Bear's Cassette... (0)
flac16 ; Source:... (0)
flac2448; Partial AUD;... (0)
flac1644 Patched sbd by... (0)
set 2; master reel> pcm>... (3)
SBD (probably... (4)
SBD> MR> DAT> CDA> WAV>... (4)
SBD>>MR>>DAT>>CDA>>WAV>>SHN... (0)
flac16 ; Recording... (5)
flac16 ; source: aud;... (0)
flac16 ; Bear's Cassette... (0)
flac16 ; Source:... (0)
flac2448; Partial AUD;... (0)
flac1644 Patched sbd by... (0)
Date: 11/25/2004
User:
Lewis/Klitschko
See my comment here:
http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=157#comments
Some material perhaps should be patched into the "Other One," whether it be from the alternate soundboard or the audience, if my calculation was correct.
http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=157#comments
Some material perhaps should be patched into the "Other One," whether it be from the alternate soundboard or the audience, if my calculation was correct.
Date: 11/26/2004
User:
Charlie Miller
I listened to disc 3 yesterday andfound mny flaws that need to be fixed, which I guess I'll do soon. Also, as already mentioned, that cut in TOO is pretty bad and needs to be fixed....cm
Date: 11/26/2004
User:
Chris L.
i must've missed the cut in TOO - do you guys have a timing?
also Jim Powell who sent me 2 pages of explicit typewritten instructions on what to put where along with the DATs and Uli Teute missed it.
just because the other circulating source (via mike lai) has a different length on TOO doesn't mean that this one is missing something - maybe the other TOO is from a different date - it wouldn't be the first time.
i need some timings where there is a break in the music or interuption in the beat or some kind of glitch.
In upgrading the other source, I followed the explicitly described flaw listing given by Charles Wier that pertains to the this source and this source only - http://db.etree.org/shn/12657.
also Jim Powell who sent me 2 pages of explicit typewritten instructions on what to put where along with the DATs and Uli Teute missed it.
just because the other circulating source (via mike lai) has a different length on TOO doesn't mean that this one is missing something - maybe the other TOO is from a different date - it wouldn't be the first time.
i need some timings where there is a break in the music or interuption in the beat or some kind of glitch.
In upgrading the other source, I followed the explicitly described flaw listing given by Charles Wier that pertains to the this source and this source only - http://db.etree.org/shn/12657.
Date: 11/26/2004
User:
Lewis/Klitschko
It's definitely not from a different date. It (157) is higher pitched and has, seemingly at odds, a longer running time.
Date: 11/27/2004
User:
Charlie Miller
I also found other flaws besides to TOO cut. I'll fix the whole show soon...cm
Date: 11/27/2004
User:
Chris L.
> shucks, maybe someone should actually
> listen to THIS seed and find out themselves?
chickenscheisse.
duh...
to be sure Jim Powell and Uli listened to the master DAT material they sent. Charlies Wier also appears to have listened to the show with a fine toothed comb and made extensive notes which I used as an initial guide in fixing the flaws with the show prior to splicing.
Similar to the process involved in the hundreds of other shows that I've encoded and seeded to etree, I always listen to the entire show at least once through as burnt onto CD and didn't hear any dropouts prior to seeding. Prior to tracking, I subjected the entire show to a search for levels less than -50, -40 anf -30 dB levels to look for any additional subsecond dropouts on top of listening. I just listened to TOO again cranked as burnt onto a cd and don't hear any disjunction in beat or a dropout, so I don't think I'm being unreasonable to ask for a timing on a flaw or particular glitch after i spent a good 26 hours working on it and checking it out.
But now i did just hear a quiet pop at 00:40 in the post-TOO jam track - my neighbors in the apt above me heard it too, so maybe i should listen to it like this all the time. I still don't hear any problem with TOO.
Hopefully CM can get an upgrade of the whole complete show in SBD.
> listen to THIS seed and find out themselves?
chickenscheisse.
duh...
to be sure Jim Powell and Uli listened to the master DAT material they sent. Charlies Wier also appears to have listened to the show with a fine toothed comb and made extensive notes which I used as an initial guide in fixing the flaws with the show prior to splicing.
Similar to the process involved in the hundreds of other shows that I've encoded and seeded to etree, I always listen to the entire show at least once through as burnt onto CD and didn't hear any dropouts prior to seeding. Prior to tracking, I subjected the entire show to a search for levels less than -50, -40 anf -30 dB levels to look for any additional subsecond dropouts on top of listening. I just listened to TOO again cranked as burnt onto a cd and don't hear any disjunction in beat or a dropout, so I don't think I'm being unreasonable to ask for a timing on a flaw or particular glitch after i spent a good 26 hours working on it and checking it out.
But now i did just hear a quiet pop at 00:40 in the post-TOO jam track - my neighbors in the apt above me heard it too, so maybe i should listen to it like this all the time. I still don't hear any problem with TOO.
Hopefully CM can get an upgrade of the whole complete show in SBD.
Date: 11/27/2004
User:
Chris L.
from the opening phil bomb preceding the first TOO runup until the first piano tinklings of Bobby McGee is about: 00:24:13.43 - the way it is tracked on the this source there was a ~ 3 minute post-TOO jam track which for all practical purposes could've just been lumped with the rest of TOO. maybe that accounts for the timing discrpancy? otherwise maybe there's a redundant segment in the alternative speedy source. maybe someone with that souce can listen and compare since i've uploaded this one to tol.
Date: 11/27/2004
User:
Joe Samaritano
I'll dig out my Dat of this and see if there is anything different. Charlie, I'll call you if I find anything useful for the fix.
Date: 12/01/2004
User:
uli teute
hi folks
i provided my dat to jim almost a year ago.. i did nothing else than running my cassettes and they are 1st gen a fact already lost in the lineage, onto dat and sent them to jim he took an awful long time and finally handed them over to chris.. anthing what happened after i sent them is out of my doing i was not involved in checking splices and omitted parts on the sbd.. i myself then finally downloaded it from tol as neither jim nor chris gave me an idea of what they were doing
about a month or so ago jim contacted me .. but there was no need to send me anything as i already had my downloaded cds i also sent jim 1 st gen aud of the 26th
i provided my dat to jim almost a year ago.. i did nothing else than running my cassettes and they are 1st gen a fact already lost in the lineage, onto dat and sent them to jim he took an awful long time and finally handed them over to chris.. anthing what happened after i sent them is out of my doing i was not involved in checking splices and omitted parts on the sbd.. i myself then finally downloaded it from tol as neither jim nor chris gave me an idea of what they were doing
about a month or so ago jim contacted me .. but there was no need to send me anything as i already had my downloaded cds i also sent jim 1 st gen aud of the 26th
Date: 01/29/2005
User:
Lewis/Klitschko
Joe, Uli, Charlie, have been able to learn anything new? Can it be repaired? Is it a notion to be confirmed or denied? Thanks to all.
Charlie, did you ever seed a new fixed copy of this show? I don't see any listings here on the db.
Date: 01/23/2006
User:
Robert Goetz
There is a cut at the 12:27 to 12:28 point of the Other One (d3t2).
Date: 07/10/2008
User:
charlie miller
I am working on an upgrade from a dat that came from dick. If someone can get me the aud dat for patching, we can get this taken care of.
btw, I think that all circulating "master reel" copies actually have a cassette or reel gen in them.
btw, I think that all circulating "master reel" copies actually have a cassette or reel gen in them.
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