Grateful Dead 12/30/1986
Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center, Oakland, CA
Source Summary
flac16; shn id 77446: MSC -> Sony R500 (Pass Through) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC patched with shn id 6025: Barbella source - SBD> Cm> DAT> CD> EAC> CDWAV editing > SHN (seekable) and multigen cassette purporting to be from an FM post-dated broadcast (no shnid).
flac16; shn id 77446: MSC -> Sony R500 (Pass Through) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC patched with shn id 6025: Barbella source - SBD> Cm> DAT> CD> EAC> CDWAV editing > SHN (seekable) and multigen cassette purporting to be from an FM post-dated broadcast (no shnid).
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SHNID 6025 SBD> Cm> DAT> CD> EAC> CDWAV editing > SHN...
SHNID 77446 flac16 ; Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette...
SHNID 81308 flac16 ; Source: Nakamichi CM304's>Sony D5M...
SHNID 88983 flac16 ; taper : Joe D'Amico nak 300 mics w/...
SHNID 99638 flac16 ; Recording Info:SBD -> Cassette Master...
SHNID 105203 flac16 ; Source: Audience > Nakamichi CM-100...
SHNID 128691 flac16 ; 2 source Matrix mix of Shnid...
SHNID 135512 flac24 ; source: set 1 beyers 160 fob>...
SHNID 137456 flac24 ; Recorded and Mastered by...
SHNID 137978 flac24 ; Recording Info: SBD > Cassette Master...
SHNID 138007 flac16 ; Recording Info: SBD > Cassette Master...
SHNID 138362 flac16 ; Set 2 Unknown: FOB Schoeps CMC44 >...
SHNID 138870 flac16 44.1khz Taper : Joe D'Amico ''AKA''...
SHNID 142302 flac16 ; Source Info: Oade's Master (FOB)...
SHNID 171472 flac 16/48 Matrix 2 Source Mix - SBD...
SHNID 171523 flac16/48 5.1 LPCM Surround Sound (48k) -...
SHNID 171538 flac16/48 DTS Audio 5.1 Mix - SBD...
SHNID 176483 flac1648 Doug Lamarre's Master Audience...
SHNID 176484 flac2496 Doug Lamarre's Master Audience...
Grateful Dead - December 30, 1986
Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center
Oakland, CA
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Patch fix of shnid 77446
I used the Barbella source (shnid 6025) to patch in an extra 1:40 at the beginning of drums. The Barbella source also provides the majority of 1:57-5:30 of Throwing Stones, except for 2 dropouts (5:08-5:14 and less than a second at 5:21), which are patched with a purported multigen cassette source purported to be from an FM rebroadcast at some later date, which I downloaded from alt.binaries.gdead (no shnid). This source had all of Throwing Stones intact, but was of decidedly inferior quality, and like the other two sources was missing part of drums.
I switched the left and right channels in the Barbella source and time/pitch stretched it to 102.1% to match the Miller source. All editing was done in CE Pro and resulting SBEs fixed using shntool.
Per Charlie Miller the only existing source that has both drums and Throwing Stones intact is the Vault PCM recording. Many thanks to him both for supplying the main source and his feedback on patching it.
Bill Tetzeli (btet@adelphia.net)
7:00 PM 12/8/2006
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Recording Info:
SBD -> Cassette Master (Sony D5/MX-XG90)
Transfer Info:
Cassette Master (Sony TC-WE475) -> Sony R500 (Pass Through) ->
SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC
(3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)
Notes:
-- Seamless transition between Discs 2 and 3
-- Tape flips in Drums and Throwing Stones [now patched - part of drums still AWOL - Bill Tetzeli]
-- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the tapes
-- The first minute of My Brother Esau patched from 1st Gen Cass SBD
-- * With the Neville Brothers
Set 1:
d1t01 - Tuning
d1t02 - Hell In A Bucket
d1t03 - Althea
d1t04 - C.C. Rider
d1t05 - Cumberland Blues
d1t06 - My Brother Esau ->
d1t07 - When Push Comes To Shove
d1t08 - Beat It On Down The Line ->
d1t09 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d1t10 - Don't Ease Me In ->
d1t11 - The Music Never Stopped
Set 2:
d2t01 - Tuning
d2t02 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d2t03 - I Know You Rider
d2t04 - Saint Of Circumstance
d2t05 - Ship Of Fools
d3t01 - Estimated Prophet ->
d3t02 - Eyes Of The World ->
d3t03 - Drums* ->
d3t04 - Iko Iko* ->
d3t05 - Man Smart (Women Smarter)* ->
d3t06 - Stella Blue ->
d3t07 - Throwing Stones ->
d3t08 - Not Fade Away
Encore:
d3t09 - Johnny B. Goode
Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center
Oakland, CA
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Patch fix of shnid 77446
I used the Barbella source (shnid 6025) to patch in an extra 1:40 at the beginning of drums. The Barbella source also provides the majority of 1:57-5:30 of Throwing Stones, except for 2 dropouts (5:08-5:14 and less than a second at 5:21), which are patched with a purported multigen cassette source purported to be from an FM rebroadcast at some later date, which I downloaded from alt.binaries.gdead (no shnid). This source had all of Throwing Stones intact, but was of decidedly inferior quality, and like the other two sources was missing part of drums.
I switched the left and right channels in the Barbella source and time/pitch stretched it to 102.1% to match the Miller source. All editing was done in CE Pro and resulting SBEs fixed using shntool.
Per Charlie Miller the only existing source that has both drums and Throwing Stones intact is the Vault PCM recording. Many thanks to him both for supplying the main source and his feedback on patching it.
Bill Tetzeli (btet@adelphia.net)
7:00 PM 12/8/2006
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Recording Info:
SBD -> Cassette Master (Sony D5/MX-XG90)
Transfer Info:
Cassette Master (Sony TC-WE475) -> Sony R500 (Pass Through) ->
SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC
(3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)
Notes:
-- Seamless transition between Discs 2 and 3
-- Tape flips in Drums and Throwing Stones [now patched - part of drums still AWOL - Bill Tetzeli]
-- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the tapes
-- The first minute of My Brother Esau patched from 1st Gen Cass SBD
-- * With the Neville Brothers
Set 1:
d1t01 - Tuning
d1t02 - Hell In A Bucket
d1t03 - Althea
d1t04 - C.C. Rider
d1t05 - Cumberland Blues
d1t06 - My Brother Esau ->
d1t07 - When Push Comes To Shove
d1t08 - Beat It On Down The Line ->
d1t09 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d1t10 - Don't Ease Me In ->
d1t11 - The Music Never Stopped
Set 2:
d2t01 - Tuning
d2t02 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d2t03 - I Know You Rider
d2t04 - Saint Of Circumstance
d2t05 - Ship Of Fools
d3t01 - Estimated Prophet ->
d3t02 - Eyes Of The World ->
d3t03 - Drums* ->
d3t04 - Iko Iko* ->
d3t05 - Man Smart (Women Smarter)* ->
d3t06 - Stella Blue ->
d3t07 - Throwing Stones ->
d3t08 - Not Fade Away
Encore:
d3t09 - Johnny B. Goode
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Date: 01/26/2007
User:
btet
CD 3 is 80:24 and will require an overburn on an 80 min. CD. I didn't notice this because I generally don't use CDs anymore, but listen straight from my hard drives.
Date: 06/18/2009
User:
charlie miller
Patch in throwing stones is way off.
Date: 06/19/2009
User:
charlie miller
I should have been more helpful in my previous comment. This source has a 3:33 patch in Throwing Stones. I just did a new transfer of the cassette master and it only needed a 7 second patch. So either Bill made a mistake, which I kinda doubt, or my original transfer was flawed and part of the file was cut somehow, which is probably what happened. Also, my original seed had the channels swapped, which my new transfer (which will be circulated today) has the channel swap fixed.
Date: 06/20/2009
User:
btet
Following up on the mystery :-), I found my backup copy of the original Miller source (77446) and found out the following:
- It verifies with the .md5 downloaded from this page
- The Barbella source Throwing Stones (which was my main patch source) clocks in at 8:55 while the Miller source has it at 5:40
- Listening now to the just reverified original source, the cut starts just before the second half of the second verse ("hits you and me, you and m-") at 1:57 and comes back in at the post-"on our own" jam, 33 seconds before the second bridge ("When the game is lost"). So the second half of the second verse, all of the third and the first "commissars" bridge, plus most of the "on our own" jam, is missing.
Conclusion #1 - there was indeed a transcription error on the original source.
Conclusion #2 - Who gives a flying $@%#!? Charlie's got it covered with a remaster that puts my patch edit in the remainders bin! Few things make me happier. :-D
- It verifies with the .md5 downloaded from this page
- The Barbella source Throwing Stones (which was my main patch source) clocks in at 8:55 while the Miller source has it at 5:40
- Listening now to the just reverified original source, the cut starts just before the second half of the second verse ("hits you and me, you and m-") at 1:57 and comes back in at the post-"on our own" jam, 33 seconds before the second bridge ("When the game is lost"). So the second half of the second verse, all of the third and the first "commissars" bridge, plus most of the "on our own" jam, is missing.
Conclusion #1 - there was indeed a transcription error on the original source.
Conclusion #2 - Who gives a flying $@%#!? Charlie's got it covered with a remaster that puts my patch edit in the remainders bin! Few things make me happier. :-D
Date: 06/20/2009
User:
btet
Sorry, I forgot, the "on our own" jam is after the second bridge, not the first. It's complete on Charlie's original source, too.
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