Grateful Dead 09/18/1987
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
Source Summary
flac16; matrix of DSBD: shnid=19002 and AUD: shnid=82359 by hansokolow using ProTools
flac16; matrix of DSBD: shnid=19002 and AUD: shnid=82359 by hansokolow using ProTools
Other Sources
SHNID 394 SBD; via David Finney; see public comments for...
SHNID 10536 sbd PCM > Dat x3 > wav > shn; With alternate...
SHNID 19002 MattMan remaster of shnid=10536 ; SBD PCM>...
SHNID 20025 Vault PCM Master->DAT....
SHNID 21241 Soundboard (Healy Ultra Box)->Cassette Master....
SHNID 34707 flac16/48 ; Master Soundboard...
SHNID 76470 Most likely lineage: SBD>PCM>DAT>CD; Original...
SHNID 82359 flac16 ; Source: Nakamichi CM304's>Sony D5M...
SHNID 90241 flac16 ; taper : Joe D'Amico nak 300 mics...
SHNID 105497 flac16 ; Master: Nakamichi...
SHNID 116004 flac24 ; OTS AUD: 2x Nakamichi CM300 w/CP4...
SHNID 124840 flac16 ; shnid=20025 (Vault PCM...
SHNID 125735 flac16 ; Taper: M. Laurentus; Taper Section:...
SHNID 126038 flac16 ; 3 Source Matrix from Source 1: SBD...
SHNID 126165 flac16 ; Matrix from Source 1: SBD...
SHNID 134393 flac16 ; Set 1 SBD: ?? > CD > EAC > .wav >...
SHNID 134455 flac16 ; Matrix 3 Source Mix - SBD1...
SHNID 134456 DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix ; SBD1 (shnid=134393)...
SHNID 134825 flac16/48kHz ; 5.1 LPCM Surround Sound (48k) -...
SHNID 137533 flac24 ; Recording Info: SBD > Cassette Master...
SHNID 137535 flac16 ; Recording Info: SBD > Cassette Master...
SHNID 154309 flac16/48 Source Info: Michael Hessberg's...
SHNID 154310 flac24/96 Source Info: Michael Hessberg's...
Grateful Dead
Friday, September 18th, 1987
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY
cd1 - set 1
1) Hell In A Bucket->
2) Sugaree
3) Walking Blues
4) Candyman
5) When I Paint My Masterpiece
6) Bird Song
- set 2
7) Shakedown Street->
cd2
1) Man Smart, Woman Smarter->
2) Terrapin Station->
3) Drums->
4) Space->
5) Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad->
6) All Along The Watchtower->
7) Morning Dew->
8) Good Lovin'->
9) La Bamba->
10) Good Lovin'
11) e: Knockin' On Heaven's Door
-----------------------------------
This is a matrix, done by hansokolow in ProTools, of the following sources:
DSBD: shnid=19002
SBD PCM>DAT x3>WAV>SHN
Shakedown patch source: unknown SBD
Space patch source: SBD PCM>CASS>DAT>WAV
Remastering: SHN>WAV>CE2K>SHNTOOL>mkwACT
-----------------------------------
AUD: shnid=82359
Source: Nakamichi CM304's>Sony D5M
Location: OTS, Stand at 9 Feet
Transfer: Nak CR5A>Lunatec V3(analog out)>722@24/96
Editing: Adobe Audition 2.0 dither and resample 16Bit>Cdwav/tracking>flac16
Tapers: Tony Suraci
Transfer and upload by Tony Suraci aka nak700
-----------------------------------
My Notes: The AUD was squeezed, song by song, by around 4%. There will be some minimal phasing. The DSBD, while clean, is quite overblown, but my ears did not notice any clipping, although you can see it on the waveform. The very end of Birdsong is missing from the AUD. Chunks of Drums and Space were missing from both recordings, but not in the same place, so this recording is complete, except for some crowd noise before the encore that is missing.
Caveat: I don't take meticulous notes of every splice and adjustment I make, it's already time consuming enough, but I will explain my process. Every disc I make is seamless for longer media. I use the most reliable source, usually whichever is digital, if both are the same generally it's the SBD, and the other sources is time shifted to match that. With analog sources there is always some wavering. Within reason I try to adjust for the by making small, millisecond cuts, lining up the drum beats. These are smoothed over and when mixed with another source, undetectable. There still may be occasional phasing, particularly in the vocals and the cymbals. Believe me that I do everything I can to minimize problems like that. That includes cutting out spots of diginoise and blips and things. Whenever there is something missing from one source but present on the other, I bring up the volume a tad on the source that's left, to minimize the jarring nature of one source dropping out. When the crowd noise at the start of a set is less than two minutes or so, I don't make a separate crowd track. I export the final result to aiff files, and then convert those into flacs at the smallest setting, using xACT for Mac, and that also makes then SBE safe.
I hope everyone enjoys the product of my labor, and I'm glad to give something back to the community that has given me and others so much music over the years. Thanks, brothers and sisters.
-Tano (hansokolow@gmail.com)
length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
8:13.53 87089900 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t01.flac
10:29.59 111094412 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t02.flac
7:17.05 77098604 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t03.flac
6:50.26 72385196 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t04.flac
5:55.43 62723180 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t05.flac
10:16.02 108667148 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t06.flac
13:44.61 145497116 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t07.flac
7:07.61 75466316 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t01.flac
13:25.62 142147868 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t02.flac
8:18.00 87847244 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t03.flac
7:59.51 84615596 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t04.flac
6:06.50 64680044 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t05.flac
4:51.01 51334796 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t06.flac
11:09.67 118169228 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t07.flac
4:17.34 45414812 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t08.flac
1:33.16 16442876 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t09.flac
2:55.48 30982940 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t10.flac
10:05.55 106851404 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t11.flac
140:38.19 1488508680 B 0.6498 (18 files)
Friday, September 18th, 1987
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY
cd1 - set 1
1) Hell In A Bucket->
2) Sugaree
3) Walking Blues
4) Candyman
5) When I Paint My Masterpiece
6) Bird Song
- set 2
7) Shakedown Street->
cd2
1) Man Smart, Woman Smarter->
2) Terrapin Station->
3) Drums->
4) Space->
5) Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad->
6) All Along The Watchtower->
7) Morning Dew->
8) Good Lovin'->
9) La Bamba->
10) Good Lovin'
11) e: Knockin' On Heaven's Door
-----------------------------------
This is a matrix, done by hansokolow in ProTools, of the following sources:
DSBD: shnid=19002
SBD PCM>DAT x3>WAV>SHN
Shakedown patch source: unknown SBD
Space patch source: SBD PCM>CASS>DAT>WAV
Remastering: SHN>WAV>CE2K>SHNTOOL>mkwACT
-----------------------------------
AUD: shnid=82359
Source: Nakamichi CM304's>Sony D5M
Location: OTS, Stand at 9 Feet
Transfer: Nak CR5A>Lunatec V3(analog out)>722@24/96
Editing: Adobe Audition 2.0 dither and resample 16Bit>Cdwav/tracking>flac16
Tapers: Tony Suraci
Transfer and upload by Tony Suraci aka nak700
-----------------------------------
My Notes: The AUD was squeezed, song by song, by around 4%. There will be some minimal phasing. The DSBD, while clean, is quite overblown, but my ears did not notice any clipping, although you can see it on the waveform. The very end of Birdsong is missing from the AUD. Chunks of Drums and Space were missing from both recordings, but not in the same place, so this recording is complete, except for some crowd noise before the encore that is missing.
Caveat: I don't take meticulous notes of every splice and adjustment I make, it's already time consuming enough, but I will explain my process. Every disc I make is seamless for longer media. I use the most reliable source, usually whichever is digital, if both are the same generally it's the SBD, and the other sources is time shifted to match that. With analog sources there is always some wavering. Within reason I try to adjust for the by making small, millisecond cuts, lining up the drum beats. These are smoothed over and when mixed with another source, undetectable. There still may be occasional phasing, particularly in the vocals and the cymbals. Believe me that I do everything I can to minimize problems like that. That includes cutting out spots of diginoise and blips and things. Whenever there is something missing from one source but present on the other, I bring up the volume a tad on the source that's left, to minimize the jarring nature of one source dropping out. When the crowd noise at the start of a set is less than two minutes or so, I don't make a separate crowd track. I export the final result to aiff files, and then convert those into flacs at the smallest setting, using xACT for Mac, and that also makes then SBE safe.
I hope everyone enjoys the product of my labor, and I'm glad to give something back to the community that has given me and others so much music over the years. Thanks, brothers and sisters.
-Tano (hansokolow@gmail.com)
length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
8:13.53 87089900 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t01.flac
10:29.59 111094412 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t02.flac
7:17.05 77098604 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t03.flac
6:50.26 72385196 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t04.flac
5:55.43 62723180 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t05.flac
10:16.02 108667148 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t06.flac
13:44.61 145497116 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d1t07.flac
7:07.61 75466316 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t01.flac
13:25.62 142147868 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t02.flac
8:18.00 87847244 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t03.flac
7:59.51 84615596 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t04.flac
6:06.50 64680044 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t05.flac
4:51.01 51334796 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t06.flac
11:09.67 118169228 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t07.flac
4:17.34 45414812 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t08.flac
1:33.16 16442876 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t09.flac
2:55.48 30982940 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t10.flac
10:05.55 106851404 B --- -- ---xx gd87-09-18d2t11.flac
140:38.19 1488508680 B 0.6498 (18 files)
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SBD; via David Finney; see... (6)
sbd PCM > Dat x3 > wav >... (0)
MattMan remaster of... (3)
Vault PCM Master->DAT.... (0)
Soundboard (Healy Ultra... (7)
flac16/48 ; Master... (4)
Most likely lineage:... (0)
flac16 ; Source: Nakamichi... (0)
flac16 ; taper : Joe... (0)
flac16 ; Master: Nakamichi... (0)
flac24 ; OTS AUD: 2x... (0)
flac16 ; shnid=20025... (2)
flac16 ; Taper: M.... (0)
flac16 ; 3 Source Matrix... (0)
flac16 ; Matrix from... (0)
flac16 ; Set 1 SBD: ?? >... (1)
flac16 ; Matrix 3 Source... (0)
DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix ;... (0)
flac16/48kHz ; 5.1 LPCM... (0)
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flac16/48 Source Info:... (0)
flac24/96 Source Info:... (0)
SBD; via David Finney; see... (6)
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MattMan remaster of... (3)
Vault PCM Master->DAT.... (0)
Soundboard (Healy Ultra... (7)
flac16/48 ; Master... (4)
Most likely lineage:... (0)
flac16 ; Source: Nakamichi... (0)
flac16 ; taper : Joe... (0)
flac16 ; Master: Nakamichi... (0)
flac24 ; OTS AUD: 2x... (0)
flac16 ; shnid=20025... (2)
flac16 ; Taper: M.... (0)
flac16 ; 3 Source Matrix... (0)
flac16 ; Matrix from... (0)
flac16 ; Set 1 SBD: ?? >... (1)
flac16 ; Matrix 3 Source... (0)
DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix ;... (0)
flac16/48kHz ; 5.1 LPCM... (0)
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Date: 12/01/2008
User:
qawsedrf
No such thing as a DSBD from '87.
Date: 12/01/2008
User:
charlie miller
Yes, there are DSBD's in 1987. The first DSBD in the vault is 12/26/82. This whole tour was recorded digitally to PCM.
Date: 12/01/2008
User:
charlie miller
To further clarify things:
First digital recordings in vault:
PCM - 12/26/82
DAT - 12/27/87
First digital recordings in vault:
PCM - 12/26/82
DAT - 12/27/87
Date: 12/02/2008
User:
qawsedrf
If you think PCM is true digital, which it is not. Also, in the early 80's models all of the processing was done on the analog side.
PCM was an engineering solution to a bit-management problem. To solve the problem, part of the signal had to be eliminated, but without degrading the sound so much that it became unacceptable to the public. Enter PCM. This ingenious electronic fiddle truncated the original bandwidth from 100,000 to 20,000 hertz, since humans cannot normally hear frequencies above 15,000 hertz, and "sampled," or took a digital snapshot, of the remaining information 44,000 times a second. This doctored data was repackaged into 16-bit packets capable of playing back a symphony in 74 minutes or less.
Of course, the acoustical engineers who invented PCM knew that the condensed 16-word product would be inferior to the original: For one thing, filters, on both the encoding and decoding ends, cause audible "errors." For another, chopping out all the information between 20,000 and 100,000 Hertz reduced the harmonic depth of the music itself.
PCM was an engineering solution to a bit-management problem. To solve the problem, part of the signal had to be eliminated, but without degrading the sound so much that it became unacceptable to the public. Enter PCM. This ingenious electronic fiddle truncated the original bandwidth from 100,000 to 20,000 hertz, since humans cannot normally hear frequencies above 15,000 hertz, and "sampled," or took a digital snapshot, of the remaining information 44,000 times a second. This doctored data was repackaged into 16-bit packets capable of playing back a symphony in 74 minutes or less.
Of course, the acoustical engineers who invented PCM knew that the condensed 16-word product would be inferior to the original: For one thing, filters, on both the encoding and decoding ends, cause audible "errors." For another, chopping out all the information between 20,000 and 100,000 Hertz reduced the harmonic depth of the music itself.
Date: 12/02/2008
User:
charlie miller
The PCM tapes in the GD vault are digital :)
Not gonna debate this with you.
Not gonna debate this with you.
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