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Garcia & Saunders 01/17/1974

SHOWID 45287

Set I

Someday Baby @
La-La
I Second that Emotion *
My Funny Valentine #
Who's Loving You Tonight? $

Set II

Finders Keepers
Think
Are You Lonely For Me, Baby? %
The Harder They Come ^

Set III

 

Comment

@ Lightnin' Hopkins Cover
* Smokey Robinson Cover
# Rogers & Hammerstein Cover
$ Junior Walker & the Allstars Cover
% Freddie Scott Cover
^ Jimmy Cliff Cover

Collectors With This Show

User (active/rating) Media / # Show Sound Details DB Source User Source
OldNeumanntapr (5/5) FLAC / 0 A+ View   Soundboard; Master Reel >DAT (48khz)
Notes: (Set II Only) Notes: - This recording has been provided by an anonymous source. - Very little work has been done on this, a few clicks removed, one repair and some level adjustments made. - The mix changes around 22 seconds, Garcia's vocal is moved from the left channel to become more central. * - All files have been tagged. Garcia doesn't get to sound any better than this.
CJ (5/4.7) CDR / 2 View  
Rick Martin (5/5) Flac / 2 A View   Source: Soundboard > Master Reel > DAT (48k)
Notes: SBD 2016
MyLibbyDog (5/4.8) CDR / 2 A B View  
Notes: Average Stereo Soundboard of a typical Merle and Jerry concert, with a typical set list. All the latter songs are very long, nothing under 10 minutes, with "Are You Lonely Tonight" and "Whose Loving You Tonight" coming in at 21 and 16 minutes respectively. The show has issues with a poor mix on guitar, vocals and sax at different points.
sean hite (5/0) FLAC / 0 View 76474
Notes: 76474 Garcia & Saunders; Compilation of speed corrected SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR (shnid = 20678) and disk 1 of Dick's Gift (MSR>DATs>CDRs>EAC>SHN) (unknown shnid) with beginning of Harder They Come patched in; fix of 76398
sean hite (5/0) FLAC / 0 View 76471
Notes: 76471 Garcia & Saunders: primary source MAC > D > CD > EAC > SHN. Recorded by Louis Falanga, Sony ECM 250 > Sony TC-110 from shnid 76399 with additional audience material added to complete show
sean hite (5/0) SHN / 0 View 20678
Notes: 20678 Garcia & Saunders; SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
sean hite (5/0) FLAC / 0 View 90365
Notes: 90365 JGMS; flac16; Matrix 4 Source Mix - SBD1 & 2 (shn id 76474) Compilation of speed corrected SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR (shnid = 20678) and disk 1 of Dick's Gift (MSR>DATs>CDRs>EAC>SHN) (unknown shnid) with beginning of Harder They Come patched in; upgrade of 76398 + AUD1 & 2 (shn id 76471) primary source MAC > D > CD > EAC > SHN. Recorded by Louis Falanga, Sony ECM 250 > Sony TC-110 from shnid 76399 with additional audience material added to complete show - matrix mixing by Kevin Tobin
sean hite (5/0) SHN / 0 View 76398
Notes: 76398 Garcia & Saunders; Compilation of speed corrected SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR (shnid = 20678) and disk 1 of Dick's Gift (MSR>DATs>CDRs>EAC>SHN) (unknown shnid); fix by kevtobin
sean hite (5/0) FLAC / 0 View 76399
Notes: 76399 Garcia & Saunders: MAC > D > CD > EAC > SHN. Recorded by Louis Falanga, Sony ECM 250 > Sony TC-110. This matches the sbd of 1/17/74 and portions of audience from shnid=10024; speed correction and patching by kevtobin
SpacedDeadhead (5/4.8) CDR / 2 View   SBD
karl banach (5/4.9) cdr / 2 A+ A+ View  
Sergio Sanchez (5/5) SHN / 0 View 20678 SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Notes: Garcia & Saunders
Jon Pavuk (5/4.3) SHN / 2 A+ A View 20678 SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Jon Pavuk (5/4.3) FLAC / 2 A+ A+ View 76475 DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix See Notes
Notes: Disc One 71:08 Set I Someday Baby [16:24] La-La* [14:04] Second That Emotion* [15:55] My Funny Valentine* [24:41] Disc Two 73:46 Set I (con't) Who's Lovin' You Tonight? [16:40] Set II Finders Keepers* [11:29] Think* [11:04] Are You Lonely For Me Baby? [21:56] Harder They Come [12:32] *From Dick's Gift SBD1 "DICK'S GIFT" Disk 1: Per www.thejerrysite.com: ??/??/74 Unknown Venue, Unknown City, Unknown State 1. Finders Keepers 10:12 2. Think 9:12 3. Lala 11:34 4. I Second That Emotion 14:31 5. My Funny Valentine 23:59 Comments: This tape circulates labled "LOM Mystery Tape", and usually with 4 songs before Finders Keepers (see ??/??/73). These songs are from the winter or spring of '74, before Martin Fierro became a fulltime member. Supposedly found in vault unlabled by Dick Latvala. It is doubtful that all these songs are from the same show. Recordings: 71 SBD (MSR>DATs>CDRs>EAC>SHN) Extracted and shorten compressed by DSacks@hatfield.etree.org. SBD2 (shnid 20678) SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR DAT TSF =====> Ziggy EAC > .shn ======> Seth K Seed discs =====> courtesy of Tommy Banjo. Thanks! Notes: Disc 1, Track 1- fades in, and the first few seconds of intro are missing. Disc 1, Track 1-Digi noise: :21-:25; :52-:55; 1:04-1:05; 1:18-1:26; 1:34-1:36; 1:45; 2:21 Disc 1 Track 1- Right Channel is low until: 1:39 Also, levels are being adjusted, and full instrumentation does not occur until 2:04 Disc 2, Track 5- vocals out of the mix, entire song. Disc 2, Track 7- 10:44 Jerry says: Sure is quiet for Berkeley. (pause) This is Martin Fierro. Disc 2, Track 9  Intro and first line (They tell me there's a pie up in the sky) is missing. AUD1 (shnid 10024) MAC > D > CD > EAC > SHN Recorded by Bob Menke, unknown setup. Extraction using EAC, retracking using CD Wave, sector boundary verification using shntool, and .shn encoding using mkwACT. Flaws/Notes: d1t04 Second That Emotion light tick @ 4:22 d1t05 My Funny Valentine cut/splice @ 16:08 d2t02 Finders Keepers cuts in, not much missing d2t02-03 pop just before track marker d2t06 Lonely for Me (master?) anomalies @ 10:36-11:04 d2t06 Lonely for Me cuts out Additional Notes: Variable speed problems throughout, though absent those problems (which really aren't that distracting) this is an excellent recording. I will not note specific speed-related anomalies in these flaw notes. This is tracked and noted as a three-set show, consistent with the taper's recollection and notations. However, it seems at least possible that this material derives from two separate shows, either from 1/17 and 1/18 or from early and late shows on the 18th. First, the show is longer in terms of sets and minutes than just about any other Garcia & Saunders show on record. Second, Finders Keepers, Think, the "sure is quiet for Berkeley" comment, and Are You Lonely For Me Baby? have circulated since at least 1990 with a date of 1/17 (albeit 1973, which seems clearly incorrect). Third, the tuning break during "set III" (disc four) has two separate audience members calling for songs that appear earlier on this recording (Finders Keepers and Second That Emotion). It seems unlikely that two separate audience members would have forgotten what had been played only an hour or two earlier and/or requested that a song be repeated. Ultimately, we will probably never know, but this material rocks nonetheless! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tech Notes SHNs were decoded to wave and Audition 1.0 was used to reassemble the tracks back to 1 long wave. Audition 1.0 was used to align & synch the both SBD & AUD sources. Audition 1.0 used to adjust the volume for the AUD, matrix/CTR and LFE channels. Surcode CD Pro DTS was used to encode to DTS. - First 2 minutes of Someday Baby fixed by bob - thank you - Mixed by kevtobin@yahoo.com - FLAC conversion 07-AUG-2006 --------------------------------------------------------- DTS-Audio-CD Info Front Left Channel Combination SBD1/2 (see notes) Right Channel Combination SBD1/2 (see notes) Center Mixed to mono -3.0db Combination SBD1/2 (see notes) Surround Left Channel -1.5db AUD Right Channel -1.5db AUD Sub/LFE Mixed to mono -3.0db Combination SBD1/2 (see notes) --------------------------------------------------------- I matched the speed of this recording to the Dick's Gift - sbd was a bit fast overall (about 1.5 second per minute) and audience was a little better (about 1/4 second per minute) in comparison. I also switched the left and right tracks of the sbd in order to match Merle on left track and Jerry on right as it is on Dick's Gift. Audio Patching: 1) First 7.036 of Someday Baby patched from audience to give better lead in. The rest of Someday Baby came from sbd source. 2) The next 2 minutes of Someday Baby were inserted from a fix patch sent to me by Bob. "I fixed most of the digisnits from the aud source which was adjusted to match (when it was an improvement). A couple of the smaller ones the cure was worse than the fix so I left them, I also adjusted leveling problems in the sbd source." 3) Between Someday Baby and LaLa - 20.277 was missing from sbd - patched and normalized from audience. 4) 2 sec gap was removed from between (all) tracks on sbd source. 5) LaLa came from Dick's Gift. 6) 2:20 between LaLa and Second That Emotion filled in from sbd source. 7) Second That Emotion came from Dick's Gift. 8) 1:12 between Second That Emotion and My Funny Valentine filled in from sbd source. 9) My Funny Valentine came from Dick's Gift. 10) 16:08 in My Funny Valentine - 38.439 was missing from audience - patched and normalized from Dick's Gift 11) First 13.288 of Who's Lovin' You Tonight patched from audience to start disk 2. 12) Who's Lovin' You Tonight from sbd source. 13) Last 13.425 of Who's Lovin' You Tonight patched from audience to end Set 1. 14) 39.500 was missing from start of audience Finders Keepers - patched and normalized from sbd source. 15) First 39.500 of Finders Keepers from sbd source. 16) Finders Keepers came from Dick's Gift. 17) 1:12 between Finders Keepers and Think filled in from sbd source. 18) Think came from Dick's Gift. 19) Rest of the show comes from sbd source. 20) 15:35 in Are You Lonely Tonight, the audience recording ends. 19:06 was replaced from the sbd to finish the song and include Harder They Come -------------------------------------------
stephen (5/4.8) SHN / 2 SBD View  
Cecil Hayden (5/0) Shn / 2 B+ View   SBD>MR>DAT>CDR>EAC>SHN
Notes: seed-Tommy Banjo.
dann (5/5) shn / 1 View 20678
Jeff Schlingbaum (5/5) CDR / 2 A- View 20678 SBD
Rudolf E. Zielinski (5/5) CDR / 2 A+ View   AUD
Joe Rizzo (5/4.8) CD / 2 A A View  
Notes: 2 SHN
Adam Lawler (5/0) .shn / 2 View 20678 SBD
Michael Drayer (5/5) SHN / 0 View 20678 SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Notes: Jerry Garcia - guitar, vocals Merl Saunders - keyboards, vocals John Kahn - bass Martin Fierro - saxophone, flute Bill Kreutzmann - drums
Joanne (5/5) CDR / 2 TBA TBA View   SBD > MR > DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Alex Tamargo (5/5) CD-R / 1 A+ A View  
Patrick (5/4.4) .shn / 2 View  
Dan Niggemann (5/0) .shn / 2 B+ View 20678
Notes: SBD> MR> DAT(44.1kHz)> CDR
jr (5/0) / 2 View  
Kevin Sigafoos (5/1.5) shn / 2 View 20678
katy miller (5/5) shn / 1 View  
Bob Furar (5/4.6) shn / 2 View   SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Grayson Kimball (4/4.8) CDR / 2 A+ View 20678 SBD
Notes: Set 1+2
Brad Foster (4/4.9) FLAC / 1 View   SBD > MR > DAT (48k)
Notes: Set 2 only
Brad Foster (4/4.9) FLAC / 2 View   (Matrix) MSR > DAT > CD > EAC > SHN + MAC > D > CD > EAC > SHN
Ryan (4/5) flac / 2 View  
John Gibbs (4/5) flac / 2 View 76474
groundhog (4/4.7) SHN / 2 View 20678 SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Notes: 890mb
bob (4/5) DTS / 2 View  
mike west (4/5) SHN / 2 View 20678
Notes: SBD
Keith Mageau (4/4.9) CDR / 2 A- View   SBD>MR>DAT (44.1KHz)>CDR
zowie (3/5) cd / 1 a View 76398 sdb
Notes: 2nd set
tomtaper4 (3/3.5) Cass dat cdr / A View 20678 Sbd
john zicconi (3/5) CDR / 2 SBD View   SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Notes: With Bill Kreutzmann on drums
Alan (3/5) CD / 1 A- A- View   Jerry Garcia 5CD box set
Notes: 3 songs CD1 Jerry Garcia box set.
Alex Shapiro (3/5) CDR / 2 View   SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Joey (3/5) shn / 2 View   SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Notes: Garcia & Saunders Keystone Berkeley, CA January 17, 1974 Disc one: 68:53 SET I 1. Someday Baby ­ 15:21 2. La La ­ 13:34 3. I Second that Emotion ­ 15:34 4. My Funny Valentine - 24:22 Disc two: 72:37 1. Who’s Loving You Tonight? ­ 15:39 SET II 2. Finders Keepers ­ 11:54 3. Think ­ 10:54 4. Are You Lonely For Me, Baby? ­ 21:45 5. The Harder They Come ­ 12:22 The Lineup: · Jerry Garcia - guitar, vocals · Merl Saunders - keyboards, vocals · John Kahn - bass · Martin Fierro - saxophone, flute · Bill Kreutzmann - drums The Lineage: SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR Notes: Disc 1, Track 1- fades in, and the first few seconds of intro are missing. Disc 1, Track 1-Digi noise: :21-:25; :52-:55; 1:04-1:05; 1:18-1:26; 1:34-1:36; 1:45; 2:21 Disc 1 Track 1- Right Channel is low until: 1:39 Also, levels are being adjusted, and full instrumentation does not occur until 2:04 Disc 2, Track 5- vocals out of the mix, entire song. Disc 2, Track 7- 10:44 Jerry says: “Sure is quiet for Berkeley. (pause) This is Martin Fierro.” Disc 2, Track 9 ­ Intro and first line (“They tell me there's a pie up in the sky”) missing. (I did the DAE using EAC, properly set offsets, etc.  Could not get the original DAT).
Charlie Kidder (3/5) SHN / 2 View   SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Jimmy (3/0) cdr / 2 A A View 20678
Jim K (3/5) CD / 2 View 20678 SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR =>DAT =>SHN =>CDR
Mia724 (3/0) CDR / 4 View  
Notes: Combined w/ 1/18/74
bob (3/5) / 0 View  
Donny (3/5) SHN / 2 View  
Notes: SBD
Bob Allred (3/5) shn / 2 View 20678
Josh Cooperman (3/3.8) CDR / 2 A View  
Matt Xavier (3/0) / 0 View  
MANDALA (3/0) cd / 2 View  
Notes: ty mh
Augwst (3/5) CDR / 2 View  
NEWMAN (3/0) / 0 View  
roseybubble (3/0) CDR / 2 View   SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Pete W (3/5) / 0 View 20678
Sojahsey (3/0) CDR / 2 View  
Notes: SBD
Scott S (3/0) SHN / 2 View  
Notes: SBD>MR>DAT (44.1KHz)>CDR
Hunter Best (3/5) CD-R / 1 A A View   SBD > Reel > DAT > CD
Canyon (2/5) audio / 2 View   SBD>MR>DAT(44.1khz)>CDR
Notes: 9
Scott Miller (2/0) / 0 View  
Adam Dwyer (2/0) shn / 2 View 20678
Bill Tetzeli (2/5) SHN / 2 View 20678 SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
Marshall (2/5) Flac / 2 View  
Mike In Boone (2/5) CDR / 2 A A View 90365 Matrix (90365)
slslbs (2/5) shn / 2 A A View  
Mike McCarthy (2/5) cdr / 1 View   sbd>rr>dat>cdr
Notes: db.etree.org notes indicate this show is often incorrectly labeled as 1/17/73.
Michael McMullan (2/5) CDR/FLAC / 2 A View 90365 Matrix
August (2/5) cd-r / 2 View 20678 sbd
Chris_G (2/0) DD#83 / 2 View 20678
Jason Moleton (2/0) cdr / 2 View 90365
Notes: matrix; 50%sbd/50%aud
Dr. Robbins (2/0) CDR / 2 View  
Laotsu (2/0) CD-R / 2 View  
William Ferdinandsen (2/5) CDR / 2 View  
Marc (2/0) .shn / 0 View 20678
C.O. Russo (2/0) cdr / 2 View  
TedK (2/4.5) cdr / 1 View  
Notes: DG 74
frank_the_third (2/4.8) SHN / 2 View  
Gregg (2/5) CDR / 1 View   SBD
Notes: SBD: Partial
Angelo (2/0) CD-R / 2 View  
kevin boland (1/4.8) Flac / 1 View  
Geoff MacNaughton (1/5) 1 / 2 B View 76474
quimbo (1/5) FLAC / 0 View 90398 DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix
quimbo (1/5) FLAC / 0 View 90365 SBD + AUD Matrix 4 Source Mix
quimbo (1/5) FLAC / 0 View 76474 SBD=>MR =>DAT (44.1KHz) =>CDR
quimbo (1/5) FLAC / 0 View 76471 MAC > D > CD > EAC > SHN
quimbo (1/5) FLAC / 0 View 76399
quimbo (1/5) FLAC / 0 View 136780
Carter (1/5) CDR / 2 A View  
Phil (1/5) CD/R / 2 View  
Rick Childs (1/4.9) CDR / 2 A++ A++ View 20678
Notes: My Show Consists of 2 Discs Which Go As Follows Per Jerry List: Discs One Set One: Someday Baby La-La I Second That Emotion My Funny Valentine Disc Two Set One Continued: Who's Loving You Tonight Set Two Disc Two: Finders Keepers Think Are You Lonely For Me, Baby? Harder They Come
Sparkita (1/5) CDR / 2 View  
Notes: 2016 - disc 2 only?
Will Pinner (1/5) CD-R / 2 A+ A++ View 20678 SBD > Master Reel > DAT (44.1KHz) > CDr > EAC (secure) > .shn
SpiralLightofVenus (1/5) FLAC / 0 SBD View  
Notes: SBD TB18
Brian C (1/4.7) CDR / 2 A A View   SBD>MR >DAT (44.1KHz) >CDR
Mark Diamond (1/3) / 2 View