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Genesis 03/07/1971

SHOWID 61985

Set I

Happy The Man
Stagnation
The Light *
Twilight Alehouse
The Musical Box
The Knife
Going Out To Get You

Set II

 

Set III

 

Comment

* The only known recording of a performance of The Light, a Collins song which never reached the studio. The base of Lilywhite Lilith.

Genesis first overseas gig.

Available sources: AUD
- Twilight Francehouse (better SQ)
- Besides The Silent Mirror (worse SQ)
- First Time Abroad
- From Master Tape
- Hogweeds 12

Collectors With This Show

User (active/rating) Media / # Show Sound Details DB Source User Source
David LeMond (5/5) FLAC / B View   aud
Notes: HW12
wes meyette (5/0) / View  
Slick2007 (5/5) FLAC / 1 B View  
Xavier Birtwich (5/0) SHN / 1 AUD View   1 x Fujifilm CD-R remastered from 1st generation source Hogweeds Vol 12 from Trader's Den CD-R...
Jack Warner (5/5) FLAC / 0 View   MAT>?>CD
Notes: "Twilight Francehouse" boot
Marty (5/4.9) CDR / 1 View  
Notes: shn
PeaceTrader (5/3) CDR / 1 View  
sonny gable (5/5) / 1 View  
Steve Blanchard (5/5) SHN / 1 View  
Notes: HW12
Adam Fox (5/5) CD-R / 1 View  
Notes: 1971-03-07 La Ferme, Woluwe St Lambert, Belgium
travis (5/5) cdr / 1 a View  
joe (5/5) CDR / 1 View  
Notes: HW12
Luke McDonnell (5/0) CDR / 1 B- View  
Mick (5/0) CDR / 1 B- View  
Notes: Hogweed Remaster (HW12)
Tamerlane (5/4.6) shn / 1 View  
mick (5/0) / 1 View  
Andrew Davies (4/4.4) CDR / 1 A B- View  
Arnold Eibel (4/0) SHN / 1 View  
Notes: Hogweed Remaster (HW12)
john tatro (4/4.5) cdr / 1 b View   aud
Tim Devine (4/5) cdr / 1 b- View  
Notes: a Ferme, Woluwe St Lambert, Belgium. 7th March 1971 The recording Well, its not the best is it? But it's amazing that we have it all. The recording documents the entire concert, beginning with the local announcer, and concluding with him at the end of the Going Out to Get You encore. There are however a few inexplicable losses that are greater than one would expect with just a tape flip. The first minute of Musical Box is missing, plus the tail end of Gabriel's intro to this number. And there is a minute long chunk of Knife missing in the middle. It is possible that these occured due to taping problems at the time - perhaps the taper was just lost in the performance :-) There are a few other small gaps; one is during the first verse of The Light, which fortunately I have been able to patch by grabbing a bit of the second verse and pasting it in. This shows that the gap was only around 1sec long, and there are a few other such gaps during the ambiences between songs that are probably of similarly short duration. In these cases I have just crossfaded the edits together. This recording is best known from two bootlegs; 'Besides the Silent Mirror', and Highland's 'Twilight Francehouse' - a rather odd title since it comes from neither France nor the twilight of the band's career. I don't have a copy of the latter, so can only comment on BtSM. I understand that the source I've used is two generations closer to the master than that used for BtSM. The hiss on this bootleg is quite prominent in the midrange, and would be a lot more noticable if it were not for the savage frequency roll-off that has been used above around 3KHz. BtSM misses the Belgian announcer's intro, and begins with the applause that greets the band onstage. Otherwise it is complete, and shows the gaps and edits present on the master tape. Beyond the missing top end, and a very boxy and bass-thin sound, it is a fair representation of the original tape, although it is pitched slightly sharp, and has a few unexplained volume drops, noticably on the concluding chord of Knife. The restoration I began with a transcription CDR from a low (reputedly first) gen copy of the tape. Running a spectragram of the recording showed that this source had a severe drop off in information above 4KHz, with cymbals and tamborine slaps appearing around the 6-7KHz mark. The 3KHz roll off on BtSM explains why hardly any cymbals can be heard on that version. As anyone who knows this recording is aware, the hiss threatens to dominate the music throughout. It sounds distant, tinny, and hissy as hell. So dragging any information out of this sea of murk has not been easy. At first I was dubious I could improve it at all. If you are listening to this Hogweed 12, and thinking, its still pretty hissy - well, it is. However it could have been a lot worse. I have taken 9Db of hiss out of the recording. To get an idea of how much that is, imagine 3 times as much hiss *relative to the musical information*. Another way of thinking of it is that if the hiss sounds comparable to BtSM, you are actually hearing 3 times the musical information for the same noise floor. Could I have taken more hiss out? I tried; it started to break up badly and loose what subtle musical information remained. It started to sound empty and lacking ambience. I chose to keep as much of the music as I could. So enjoy what hiss remains, its part of the history :-) This recording also has a prominent microphone resonance around 2.5KHz - during the louder sections of songs like Twilight Alehouse you can hear this as a continuous ring, almost like a distorted feedback. I have attenuated this peak by 8Db, which is a lot, but as much as I could while avoiding a frequency hole. The tape also has numerous electrical clicks, particularly during the first few songs. On BtSM these clicks (plus others in one channel only, which have been introduced later) have hissy surges around them, suggesting that a dolby decode may have been employed on that version. I have removed these. There are also quite a few microphone bumps, fortunately occuring mostly during the ambience between songs. I have endeavoured to attenuate or remove as many of these as possible. There were a few that were much more difficult though, such as the one that occurs just into the beginning of Stagnation. This bump caused the auto record levels to drop the music volume noticably, which I've compensated for without having the hiss levels suddenly surge. Because auto record levels were used on this one, the volumes do fluctuate a bit, rising noticably during the quiet bits. I could have restored the dynamics as I have on previous shows. But on this one, the amount of hiss would have made such changes distractingly noticable, so I have left them as they were recorded. More history. Finally, there are several occasions when a hum of around 150Hz is heard. I am pretty convinced that this is a feedback from the stage, although whether acoustic or electrical, I can't tell. There is also a 250Hz harmonic as well, indicating that it originates with 50Hz mains power. So it is probably authentic, but it sounds aweful, and makes a few nice passages of music, particularly during a quieter section of The Light, sound very un-tuneful. So I've zapped it. Sorry all you purists and stage feedback afficianados, but as this is the only version of The Light that we know of, the least I can do is make it sound a bit more musical. If you want to hear the hum, listen to to BtSM.
Zionpower (4/0) / 0 View   hw
Martin McNally (4/0) shn / 1 3 View   aud
Notes: Hogweeds HW12 Not a very good recording but historically significant.
Chad Francis (4/4.7) CDR / 1 B B View  
TTDaddy (3/5) FLAC / 1 View   AUD
Notes: Twilight Francehouse (HL 203---TRT 1:08:18)
TTDaddy (3/5) shn / 1 View   AUD
Notes: Hogweeds HW12
TTDaddy (3/5) FLAC / 1 View   AUD
Notes: LDB Special Series #302 - eeklair "rework" 2008
Gene Rider (3/0) SHN / 1 D+ View   SHN-AUD
Notes: AUD
Chris Larson (3/5) shn / 1 B View   audience - HW 12
Notes: 385mb/69:29, first known Genesis live recording, Hogweed 12 version
Chris Larson (3/5) flac / 1 B View   Unknown Recording Device > 2nd Generation Tape > Aiwa Tape Deck TC-WE475 > Audiophile...
Notes: 292mb/70:24, Eeklair remaster of LDB Special #302
Bill d'Angelo (3/5) CDR/shn / 1 View   AUD
Notes: hogweed remaster HW12
Kevin Weaver (3/5) / 1 View  
rkipp (3/0) / 0 C+ View   AUD
Chris Fraher (3/5) CD-R / 1 View   AUD
Notes: Apparently this show is the oldest known Genesis recording.
Joe the Troll (3/0) / 0 View  
Charlie Kidder (3/5) SHN / 1 B+ View   AUD
Notes: Oldest known Genesis live recording
Dragonfly (3/5) CDR / 1 A C+ View   Aud
Notes: Great to hear what early Pre-Foxtrot Genesis sounded like in concert. The recording is poor, with hiss and a lack of clarity, but a must-have for any Genesis archivist.
Josh Cooperman (3/3.8) CDR / 1 A View  
Notes: Hogweed 12
Dan (3/5) CDR / 1 A View   HOGWEEDS
Notes: HW012
Mike (3/0) CDR / 1 B View   HW-12 audience
james benjamin (3/0) CDR / 1 View   Hogweed remaster #12
Notes: First known live recording, known for the appalling sound!
steve w. (3/5) SHN / 1 View   Analog AUD
Notes: Liberated Bootleg "Twilight Francehouse"-poor sound - for hardcore Genesis fans only
Tim (3/0) CDR / 1 View   HW12
Mike Hubbs (3/0) CDR / 1 View  
Notes: Beside the Silent Mirror
Mike Hubbs (3/0) SHN / 1 View  
Notes: HW12
Caleb Hughes (3/5) CDR / 1 View   Beside The Silent Mirror
Notes: Beside The Silent Mirror
Craig Davenport (3/0) 1shn/1cda / 0 View  
Notes: Hogweed 12
Ned Pike (3/0) CD/SHN / 1 View  
Notes: Hogweeds 12
Bluesthinker (2/4.9) FLAC / 1 View  
OBIE (2/5) FLAC / 1 View  
purps69 (2/0) FLAC / 1 A 7.5 View   Unknown Recording Device > 2nd Generation Tape > Aiwa Tape Deck TC-WE475 > Audiophile 2496...
Notes: Only date outside of the UK before 1972!
Joaquin Villaverde (2/5) shn / 1 View  
Notes: HW12
ZIP007 (2/5) SHN / 0 View   AUD
Jim Vaughn (2/5) CDr / 1 A A View  
Adam Gott (2/4.8) cd-r / 1 c- View  
Brian G. (2/5) SHN / 1 B View  
Notes: HW 12
Sleepy (2/0) CDR / 1 View  
Notes: HW12
Shedhed (2/5) CD / 1 B View   Audience
Notes: Hogweed 12
Texasknight (2/4.7) / 1 B View  
Brad Kuhn (2/5) CDR / 1 C View   Audience
Notes: Besides the Silent Mirror
Jerry Wisneski (2/0) SHN / 1 View  
Notes: HW12
Pete Raber (2/0) SHN / 1 View  
Notes: Hogweed 12
Perk (2/0) SHN / 1 C View  
Notes: Hogweeds 12
whit holder (2/0) / 1 View   Hogweeds 12
RJ (2/5) CDR / 2 B- View   unknown AUD "HW12"
Notes: Genesis 7th March 1971 (HW12) <excerpt from HW12.txt> La Ferme, Woluwe St Lambert, Belgium. 7th March 1971 1. Announcer's introduction and Peter's intro 2. Happy the Man 3. Cheese-and-onion crisp man story 4. Stagnation 5. intro 6. The Light 7. intro 8. Twilight Alehouse 9. story 10. The Musical Box 11. intro 12. The Knife 13. intro 14. Going Out to Get You The show Well here it is, the fabled La Ferme show; renowned as both the most appalling sounding Genesis recording, and also one of the most interesting, as it is the first known live recording of the band, predating by nearly a year the next known recording.
aikox2 (1/4.9) / 0 View  
Notes: HW 12
CDJones (1/5) SHN/CDR / 1 View  
Notes: HW12
CDJones (1/5) FLAC/CDR / 1 View   Unknown Recording Device > 2nd Generation Tape > Aiwa Tape Deck TC-WE475 > Audiophile...
Notes: Eeklair Remaster
John Clexton (1/0) CD / 1 View  
Maria Reine (1/5) CD-R / 1 View  
Notes: [Hogweed Remaster HW12]. SHN[sg500e]
kam (1/0) shn / 0 View  
Notes: Hogweed-12
Charlie (1/0) / 0 View  
LossLess Legs (1/0) CDR / 1 View  
Notes: 1/30/2007 - wharfratjoe
- j (1/4.9) SHN / 1 nyr View   aud first gen > Hogweeds remaster (HW12) > SHN
Notes: Hogweed Remaster (HW12)
Mike (1/5) CDR / 1 B- View   aud
Notes: HW12 same as "Beside The Silent Mirror" and-or "Twilight Francehouse" bootleg oldest known live Genesis recording
bluibootleg (1/0) FLAC / 1 View   Audience
Martin McNally (1/0) SHN / 1 4 View   AUD
Notes: Hogweed HW12 386MB The earliest recorded Genesis show.
Paul Russell (1/4.6) cdr / 1 A B View   aud
Notes: private remaster
Erik Swain (1/3) CDR / 1 View   Hogweed remaster
Notes: Earliest known live Genesis recording.
theskymoves (1/0) shn / 1 C+ View   AUD
Notes: HW12 Hogweed Remaster; 1 audio cdr
Eric (1/5) SHN / 1 B View  
Notes: HW 12
Neil (1/0) / 0 View  
Eddy (1/3.9) 1cdr / 0 B View  
hackett732 (1/0) CDR / 1 View  
hackett732 (1/0) CDR, shn / 1 B View  
ron bakker (1/0) cdr / 1 View   hogweed 12
Ron K (1/0) shn / 1 B- View  
Notes: Hogweeds 12
Matt Bohlander (1/5) CDR / 1 B- View   AUD
Notes: Hogweed 12
John VB (johnvan) (1/5) CD / 1 B View  
Notes: Hogweed Remasters #12. Sounds muddy, but a very early concert and enjoyable to hear. 70 mins.
Justin Gostony (1/5) CDR / 1 View   AUD
Notes: Beside The Silent Mirror
Alex Wolf (0/0) / 0 View  
Mark Mazur (0/5) shn / 1 View   aud
Notes: HW12
feethebunny (0/0) FLAC / 1 View  
David Raphael (0/0) / 0 View  
WBaetz (0/0) SHN / 1 View   AUD
Notes: Hogweed HW12
afcchamp88 (0/0) / 0 View  
Matt W (0/5) CD-R/1 SHN / 1 B- View   Remastered from a 1st Generation Tape
Notes: *1st known recording & 1st show overseas *Remastered
Michal (0/0) CD / 0 View  
Notes: Hogweed 12 (HW 12)
mjochim (0/0) SHN / 1 A B- View   AUD > Cassette Tape (1st gen.) > Akai GXC 570 > Audiomedia III card (Mac) > Pro Tools...
Notes: poor-sounding, but important recording: earliest known live Genesis circulating, first non-UK performance; HW12 remaster
ROLAND (0/0) / 0 View  
Spaz (0/5) 1 / 0 View