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Phish 07/30/2003

Tweeter Center, Camden, NJ
SHNID 19821
Source Summary
FOB Schoeps mk4v (ORTF) > kcy > VMS5u > mod. SBM-1 > M1; DA-P1 > Echo MIA > Soundforge 6.0 > CDWav > mkwACT > SHN; Note: this is the same source as this seed but contains patches from another FOB mk4v source to eliminate level changes.
Entered by Matt Vernon
Checksums shn-md5-original, shn-md5-alternate, st5-alternate, ffp
Disc Counts 2 / 3
Media Size
Date Circulated
Date Added
10/06/03
10/07/2003
Downloads Download Text | Download Zip
Archive Identifier phish2003-07-30.019821.camden.mk4v.flac1644 ↗

Other Sources
SHNID 18769 Schoeps M222/mk41 (DIN) > NT222 > Lunatec V3 >...
SHNID 18823 AT4051a (ORTF, 9' high) > AT8202 > PS2 > MP-2 >...
SHNID 19640 FOB Schoeps mk4v (ORTF) > kcy > VMS5u > mod....
SHNID 35404 Schoeps MK5(cards/DIN) > M222 > Elvo NT222 >...
SHNID 140879 flac16 44.1kHz OTS; Schoeps CCM4 > Symetric...
SHNID 140880 flac16 48kHz OTS; Schoeps CCM4 > Symetric...
SHNID 147335 flac24/48khz Source: 2-Scheops CCM-4 (...
Phish
Tweeter Center
Camden, NJ
July 30, 2003 (Wednesday)

Source: Schoeps mk4v (ortf) > kcy actives > VMS_5u > modSBM1 > M1
(FOB - sec 102, Row Q, seat 15)
transfer: DAP1 > Echo MIA > Soundforge6.0 > CDWave > MKWact

some patchwork: chalkdust->taste was mixed/patched with a second mk4v FOB source to try and
fix some very noticable level adjustments. Handywork done once again by Matt "Shakedown".
the resident etree IRC mixmaster!!

DISC 1:
-------
Set 1
1. My Friend, My Friend
2. Lonesome Cowboy Bill
3. Scents and Subtle Sounds
4. You Ain't Goin' Nowhere
5. Spock's Brain
6. Chalk Dust Torture
7. On Your Way Down

DISC 2:
-------
1. Fast Enough For You >
2. Taste
Set 2
3. Twist
4. Bug
5. You Enjoy Myself >
6. Vocal Jam

DISC 3:
--------
1. Walls of the Cave
Encore:
2. Secret Smile

- - - - - alternate fix info file - - - - - - -
Phish
Tweeter Center
Camden, NJ
July 30, 2003 (Wednesday)

Source: Schoeps mk4v (ortf) > kcy actives > VMS_5u > modSBM1 > M1
(FOB - sec 102, Row Q, seat 15)
transfer: DAP1 > Echo MIA > Soundforge6.0 > CDWave > MKWact

DISC 1:
-------
Set 1
1. My Friend, My Friend
2. Lonesome Cowboy Bill
3. Scents and Subtle Sounds
4. You Ain't Goin' Nowhere
5. Spock's Brain
6. Chalk Dust Torture
7. On Your Way Down

DISC 2:
-------
1. Fast Enough For You >
2. Taste
Set 2
3. Twist
4. Bug
5. You Enjoy Myself >
6. Vocal Jam

DISC 3:
--------
1. Walls of the Cave
Encore:
2. Secret Smile

fix notes: there are level adjustments in both Chalkdust Torture and Taste, I did my best to fix these with the vector volume tool in WaveLab's Audio Montage function, but it's certainly not perfect.  The most noteable flaw is at the beginning of Taste. -shakedown


Comments

Date: 01/27/2018
User: mvernon

There are 4 file sets circulating related to shnids #19640 and #19821

Source 1: #19640 - the original source
Source 2: a source noted by Rob Berg in a comment for #19640, not in the database
Source 3: #19821 - a fixed version of #19640 in the database
Source 4: a source not in database which also claims to be a fixed version of #19640

All 4 sources have same checksums for set 2. They only differ for set 1 checksums.

Source 2 - using st5’s created from source 1 we can show that Source 2 noted by Rob Berg (who listed flac ffp’s in his comment) differs in waveform only in 2 tracks:

ph03-07-30d1t06-fixed CDT
ph03-07-30d2t02.flac Taste

Source 2 appears to be more akin to a shntool header and sbefix. d2t2 differs by 1104 bytes which is the amount the original track was sector misaligned according to shntool. Source 1 d1t6 also had a large header 4096 bytes compared to 44 bytes for source 2. Listening to source 2 it does not appear to be different from source 1.

This comment was left for #19640 (source 1) by allen (aka guy4get)

“there are some very noticable level adjustments in this seed from Chalkdust through Taste. There is a patched version using a second mk4v FOB source. the patchwork was done per request of the taper. i will submit md5s and txt.”

Source 3 : shnid #19821 in db has this note in it’s info file:

“some patchwork: chalkdust->taste was mixed/patched with a second mk4v FOB source to try and
fix some very noticable level adjustments. Handywork done once again by Matt "Shakedown".
the resident etree IRC mixmaster!!”

From the source 3 info file note I was expecting perhaps at most only tracks from CDT (d1t6) to Taste (d2t2) inclusive to show changes.
But every track in set 1 for #19821 has different checksums compared to #19640.

Allen (aka guy4get) is linked to #19821 noting explicitly it is the fixed version of #19640.
So #19821 is assumed to be the fixed version using a patched source as foretold by Allen.

Source 4 is a fixed version not in the database. It has this comment in its info file:

“fix notes: there are level adjustments in both Chalkdust Torture and Taste, I did my best to fix these with the vector volume tool in WaveLab's Audio Montage function, but it's certainly not perfect. The most noteable flaw is at the beginning of Taste. -shakedown”

The md5’s for this source differ in all set 1 checksums from both the original #19640 and from the fix #19821.

From the fix notes I again expected only CDT and Taste tracks to be changed, not all of set 1.
But all set 1 tracks have changes from original in timing as shown in the shntool output.

- - - Source 1 set 1 shntool timings

length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
6:41.11 70762316 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.6223 ph03-07-30d1t01.shn
4:13.11 44655116 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5435 ph03-07-30d1t02.shn
30:36.14 323903372 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5269 ph03-07-30d1t03.shn
5:29.51 58155596 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5508 ph03-07-30d1t04.shn
5:47.40 61304924 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5966 ph03-07-30d1t05.shn
10:22.10 109748416 B --- h- ---xx shn 0.6392 ph03-07-30d1t06.shn
7:52.05 83272604 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5344 ph03-07-30d1t07.shn
6:56.06 73396556 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5420 ph03-07-30d2t01.shn
10:23.52 110020652 B -b- -- ---xx shn 0.5520 ph03-07-30d2t02.shn
88:21.50 935219552 B 0.5589 (9 files)

- - - - Source 2 set 1 shntool timings
length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
6:41.11 70762316 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5886 ph03-07-30d1t01.flac
4:13.11 44655116 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5168 ph03-07-30d1t02.flac
30:36.14 323903372 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5004 ph03-07-30d1t03.flac
5:29.51 58155596 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5278 ph03-07-30d1t04.flac
5:47.40 61304924 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5633 ph03-07-30d1t05.flac
10:22.10 109744364 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.6038 ph03-07-30d1t06-fixed.flac
7:52.05 83272604 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5082 ph03-07-30d1t07.flac
6:56.06 73396556 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5152 ph03-07-30d2t01.flac
10:23.52 110019548 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5269 ph03-07-30d2t02.flac
88:21.50 935214396 B 0.5308 (9 files)

- - - - Source 4 set 1 shntool timings

length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
6:42.01 70915196 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.6209 PH2003-07-30D1T01-FIXED.SHN
4:15.13 45012620 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5417 PH2003-07-30D1T02-FIXED.SHN
30:33.42 323440028 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5271 PH2003-07-30D1T03-FIXED.SHN
5:28.54 57986252 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5511 PH2003-07-30D1T04-FIXED.SHN
5:49.34 61643612 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5958 PH2003-07-30D1T05-FIXED.SHN
10:23.43 109998380 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.6381 PH2003-07-30D1T06-FIXED.SHN
8:00.67 84829628 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5732 PH2003-07-30D1T07-FIXED.SHN
6:43.64 71239772 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.5870 PH2003-07-30D2T01-FIXED.SHN
10:24.29 110141852 B --- -- ---xx shn 0.6018 PH2003-07-30D2T02-FIXED.SHN
88:21.47 935207340 B 0.5715 (9 files)

Summary:

There are 3 different fixed versions of the original version Source 1 #19640.

Source 2 - referenced by Rob Berg differs from the original only in the 2 tracks mentioned in fix descriptions - CDT & Taste.
It is not in the database. It appears to be more of a “shntool” fix than attempts to improve the volume fluctuations noted in the other info files. Its checksums are added to the original shnid #19640.

Source 3 - the fixed version in the database (#19821) differs from original in all set 1 tracks. I do not have access to this file set at time this was written. If Allen’s description is correct it is a patched/mixed version.

Source 4 - not in database, has all set 1 tracks changed from original in at least their timing. It appears to be a fix that is not patched /mixed but adjusts the original volume using a software option in Wavelab. However, all track lengths have changed so perhaps the tracks were combined for set 1, volume adjustments made to the whole set 1 waveform, then it was retracted.

Since Source 4 circulates as #19640, only differs in set 1 tracks as does #19640 and notes its a fix from “shakedown” I have added it as an alternate fixed version using shnid #19821.