Grateful Dead 10/12/1984
Augusta Civic Center, Augusta, ME
Source Summary
flac16; Source Update: Note that the seeder Mtownshend indicates that this recording most likely is from an audience source. See the public comments regarding the source of this recording. (Had been marked:SBD/AUD Healy Matrix)
flac16; Source Update: Note that the seeder Mtownshend indicates that this recording most likely is from an audience source. See the public comments regarding the source of this recording. (Had been marked:SBD/AUD Healy Matrix)
Other Sources
SHNID 356 MAC > CDR > CDR > CDR > SHN; Mike Rice's Master...
SHNID 5585 Master Soundboard Cassette > Reel to Reel >...
SHNID 8795 Source: Oade Recording -- FOB -- Schoeps CMC...
SHNID 17412 Oade Schoeps retracked for 2 disks and free of...
SHNID 18436 Source: Oade Recording -- FOB -- Schoeps CMC...
SHNID 20022 Master Tapes by Ficca Source: FOB Center Sony...
SHNID 77979 flac16 ; *Beyer M88's>Sony D5M, FOB/left of...
SHNID 85219 flac 16 ; Recording by Mtownshend:FOB -> Sony...
SHNID 99198 flac16 ; Recorded by Steve Rolfe; 2 Nak 700s>...
SHNID 101952 flac16 ; Lineage: Nakamichi CM-100 mics with...
SHNID 106647 flac16 ; Recorded by Bob Morris. Nakamichi...
SHNID 110040 flac16 ; source: 2 Beyer M160 & 1 Sennheiser...
SHNID 113966 flac24 ; Nakamichi CM-300 (CP-1) x2 > Cassette...
SHNID 117573 flac16 ; Matrix of SBD (shnid=5585) and AUD...
SHNID 124399 flac24 ; lineage: (3)audio technica atm11fob>...
SHNID 132345 flac16 ; Master Audience Recorded By Steve...
SHNID 132346 flac24 ; Master Audience Recorded By Steve...
SHNID 132814 flac16 ; MSC > Reel > DAT > CDR > EAC > WAV >...
SHNID 132822 flac16 ; Remastered version of the original...
SHNID 137579 flac16 ; source: aud cassette master; taped by...
SHNID 137580 flac24 ; source: aud cassette master; taped by...
SHNID 139117 flac24 ; billydee recording (patched out of...
SHNID 139563 flac16 ; Dan McSheffrey recording: Neumann...
SHNID 143086 flac16/48kHz ; George Sterry's Master Audience...
SHNID 143087 flac24 ; George Sterry's Master Audience...
SHNID 143637 flac16 ; 2nd Set Source Info: Mike Guy's...
SHNID 143638 flac24 ; 2nd Set Source Info: Mike Guy's...
SHNID 148413 flac16/48kHz ; Source Info: Chris Hecht's...
SHNID 148414 flac24 ; Source Info: Chris Hecht's Master...
SHNID 165103 flac2448 Source: (fob) Nakamichi 100 Shotguns...
SHNID 168024 flac1648 Jim Vita's Master (FOB) Audience...
SHNID 168025 flac2496 Jim Vita's Master (FOB) Audience...
SHNID 176000 flac1648 Rob Eaton's Master FOB (center)...
SHNID 176001 flac2496 Rob Eaton's Master FOB (center)...
SHNID 176073 flac1648 Rob Eaton's Master FOB (center)...
SHNID 176074 flac2496 Rob Eaton's Master FOB (center)...
Grateful Dead
10/12/84
Civic Center
Augusta, Maine
Source Update: Note that the seeder indicates that this recording most likely is from an audience source
(Had been marked Source: SBD/AUD Healy Matrix > cassette > pcm > dat >
dat > Sony PCM-R500 > Audiophile 2496 > Soundforge 7
(recorded as 24 bit/48 KHz WAV) > Wavelab 5 (Waves
L3 Multimaximizer) > 16/44.1 WAV > CDWAV 1.9 > FLAC.)
7-22-05
Transferred and Edited By
Chris Ladner
Neo_levo@yahoo.com
seeded by M. Townshend
mtownshend@adelphia.net
DISC I - Set I
01 tuning
02 Feel Like A Stranger
03 It Must Have Been the Roses
04 On The Road Again
05 Jack-A-Roe
06 It's All Over Now
07 Cumberland Blues//
08 The Music Never Stopped
Set II
09 Cold Rain & Snow
10 Lost Sailor>
11 Saint of Circumstance
DISC II - Set II (cont'd)
01 Don't Need Love>
02 Uncle John's Band//>
03 Dr//ums>
05 Space>
06 Playin' in the Band Reprise>
07 Uncle John's Band Reprise>
08 Morning Dew
Encore
09 Good Lovin'
10/12/84
Civic Center
Augusta, Maine
Source Update: Note that the seeder indicates that this recording most likely is from an audience source
(Had been marked Source: SBD/AUD Healy Matrix > cassette > pcm > dat >
dat > Sony PCM-R500 > Audiophile 2496 > Soundforge 7
(recorded as 24 bit/48 KHz WAV) > Wavelab 5 (Waves
L3 Multimaximizer) > 16/44.1 WAV > CDWAV 1.9 > FLAC.)
7-22-05
Transferred and Edited By
Chris Ladner
Neo_levo@yahoo.com
seeded by M. Townshend
mtownshend@adelphia.net
DISC I - Set I
01 tuning
02 Feel Like A Stranger
03 It Must Have Been the Roses
04 On The Road Again
05 Jack-A-Roe
06 It's All Over Now
07 Cumberland Blues//
08 The Music Never Stopped
Set II
09 Cold Rain & Snow
10 Lost Sailor>
11 Saint of Circumstance
DISC II - Set II (cont'd)
01 Don't Need Love>
02 Uncle John's Band//>
03 Dr//ums>
05 Space>
06 Playin' in the Band Reprise>
07 Uncle John's Band Reprise>
08 Morning Dew
Encore
09 Good Lovin'
Comments
Other Sources (comments)
MAC > CDR > CDR > CDR >... (1)
Master Soundboard Cassette... (0)
Source: Oade Recording --... (0)
Oade Schoeps retracked for... (0)
Source: Oade Recording --... (0)
Master Tapes by Ficca... (0)
flac16 ; *Beyer M88's>Sony... (0)
flac 16 ; Recording by... (0)
flac16 ; Recorded by Steve... (0)
flac16 ; Lineage:... (0)
flac16 ; Recorded by Bob... (0)
flac16 ; source: 2 Beyer... (0)
flac24 ; Nakamichi CM-300... (0)
flac16 ; Matrix of SBD... (0)
flac24 ; lineage: (3)audio... (0)
flac16 ; Master Audience... (0)
flac24 ; Master Audience... (0)
flac16 ; MSC > Reel > DAT... (1)
flac16 ; Remastered... (0)
flac16 ; source: aud... (0)
flac24 ; source: aud... (0)
flac24 ; billydee... (0)
flac16 ; Dan McSheffrey... (0)
flac16/48kHz ; George... (0)
flac24 ; George Sterry's... (0)
flac16 ; 2nd Set Source... (0)
flac24 ; 2nd Set Source... (0)
flac16/48kHz ; Source... (0)
flac24 ; Source Info:... (0)
flac2448 Source: (fob)... (0)
flac1648 Jim Vita's... (0)
flac2496 Jim Vita's... (0)
flac1648 Rob Eaton's... (0)
flac2496 Rob Eaton's... (0)
flac1648 Rob Eaton's... (0)
flac2496 Rob Eaton's... (0)
MAC > CDR > CDR > CDR >... (1)
Master Soundboard Cassette... (0)
Source: Oade Recording --... (0)
Oade Schoeps retracked for... (0)
Source: Oade Recording --... (0)
Master Tapes by Ficca... (0)
flac16 ; *Beyer M88's>Sony... (0)
flac 16 ; Recording by... (0)
flac16 ; Recorded by Steve... (0)
flac16 ; Lineage:... (0)
flac16 ; Recorded by Bob... (0)
flac16 ; source: 2 Beyer... (0)
flac24 ; Nakamichi CM-300... (0)
flac16 ; Matrix of SBD... (0)
flac24 ; lineage: (3)audio... (0)
flac16 ; Master Audience... (0)
flac24 ; Master Audience... (0)
flac16 ; MSC > Reel > DAT... (1)
flac16 ; Remastered... (0)
flac16 ; source: aud... (0)
flac24 ; source: aud... (0)
flac24 ; billydee... (0)
flac16 ; Dan McSheffrey... (0)
flac16/48kHz ; George... (0)
flac24 ; George Sterry's... (0)
flac16 ; 2nd Set Source... (0)
flac24 ; 2nd Set Source... (0)
flac16/48kHz ; Source... (0)
flac24 ; Source Info:... (0)
flac2448 Source: (fob)... (0)
flac1648 Jim Vita's... (0)
flac2496 Jim Vita's... (0)
flac1648 Rob Eaton's... (0)
flac2496 Rob Eaton's... (0)
flac1648 Rob Eaton's... (0)
flac2496 Rob Eaton's... (0)
Date: 07/31/2005
User:
Andy L
FYI, there were no matrix mixes this early (they didn't start until 1986). David Gans said as much a couple days ago.
Date: 08/01/2005
User:
Charlie Miller
I believe that the first matrix was 12/15/86.
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Date: 08/01/2005
User:
neo_levo
this isn't a ultramix type of matrix and i am aware of the history of the matrixes (matrices) not happening til '86. Michael asked me to transfer it. From listening to it, there is a sbd component with an audience signal that increases in signal between songs and decreases at the start of music on the DAT.
Date: 08/01/2005
User:
Andy L
Hey Chris, FYI there is also a copy of this SBD w/ the same thing you're describing that is MSC>Reel>DAT>CDR circulating (part of this seed was used for Scott Clugston's seed, but apparently he replaced the end of Set II w/ a MAC).
Date: 08/01/2005
User:
neo_levo
hi andy-
i actually compared this to 2 other circulating sources. scott clugston's source is very dry straightup SBD and the FOB to see if this was one of them and it ain't. at first i was skeptical, but the crowd noise seems awfully dialed in at times. anyway, i just transferred this to see how it sounded. i defer all questions regarding the recording source to michael who sent me the DAT.
i actually compared this to 2 other circulating sources. scott clugston's source is very dry straightup SBD and the FOB to see if this was one of them and it ain't. at first i was skeptical, but the crowd noise seems awfully dialed in at times. anyway, i just transferred this to see how it sounded. i defer all questions regarding the recording source to michael who sent me the DAT.
Date: 03/24/2006
User:
MattMan_Video
For what's it worth, I have been reviewing all of these sources and this source does indeed _appear_ to contain a soundboard-like component, i.e., the stereo separation, and kicks and hi-hats are sharper and clearer than any of the circulating audience sources. I also like its warmth as compared to shnid=5585.
Date: 03/24/2006
User:
Charlie Miller
I just listened to this and I can tell you that there is no sbd involved. It sounds like a compressed over-processed copy of the oade's aud...cm
Date: 03/26/2006
User:
MattMan_Video
Well, its certainly not the oade source, since the two are not in sync with each other. Doesn't the clarity and stereo separation of the keys, for instance, suggest that this is a sbd, or at least contains a sbd?
Date: 03/26/2006
User:
Charlie Miller
Nope, it could be recorded very close to the stage which is why it would have great stereo imaging. Keep in mind that FOB taping was still OK at this point.
Date: 03/26/2006
User:
MattMan_Video
Makes sense! On second listen, the other FOB etree sources have very nice stereo imaging as well, although this is still my favorite.
Date: 03/27/2006
User:
neo_levo
i wouldn't have seeded a 7th source into circulation if i hadn't spent a few hours comparing the others first and thought it sounded better. michael townshend sent me this DAT so he is the person who provided any lineage up to the DAT. he also sent a killer DAT of 2/4/74 JG/MS which i transferred to CD and DVD-A and 10/31/85 which to my listen was not as good as the others that circ'd so I didn't bother seeding. i've transferred/mastered about a a dozen FOBs from '84 in the last month and just in the last day transferred MX-90 chrome masters from FOB Beyer M160s from the night before this show at the same venue and it still sounds to me like this source has sbd in the mix.
Date: 03/27/2006
User:
Charlie Miller
Honestly, it's hard to tell what's going on with this source. The wave is completely brickwalling and over processed. Look at the wave, there is no wave form to it at all. It just sounds so over processed that even if it was a matrix, it wouldn't be worth listening to, mainly with the killer oade source...just my opinion...cm
Date: 03/30/2006
User:
neo_levo
the only processing done was Waves L3 and not much at that. There is no peaking or flatlining of the waveform - the settings used wouldn't "allow" it. If you look at it de-maged it will look like its maxed out. most of this is probably related to loss of dynamic range and poor levels from the cassette generation. if you zoom in on the waveform (in the range of seconds) so that a second is say an inch on the screen, variability in waveform is readily apparent. After further listening and comparing to the night before, I have to agree that this is not a sbd/matrix. The lineaged FOB Beyer master sounds even clearer with less crowd noise than this recording.
Date: 09/14/2008
User:
nfagdtrfb
OK... this source comes from the same rig that made 5304 and 94404 from the night before. We taped both nights in the same spot and set up: Senn 441's > 2 Sony D5's, FOB aprx 25 feet from the stage with the mics angled up and out (thus the nice separartion). This sounds like the deck that was patched out of me, because the flips and pauses are slightly different from my tape. Sadly, this version was transferred way too hot somewhere along the line, and has clipped wav's thru-out. My own MAC has a bit of tape damage that hopefully can be fixed for circulation... Hope that clears things up on this one.
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