Grateful Dead 05/08/1977
Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
Source Summary
flac16; Set 1 only; partial SBD (1st part of Set 1 Only) Lineage unknown, possibly RR > CD (unknown transfer) > EAC > SHN Originally posted as shn files to abgd-hs by ArtCube 2007-09-26 (The patch in Minglewood is from material performed on 5-7 and Lazy Lightning from 5-25.) Converted to flac by terrapinstation
flac16; Set 1 only; partial SBD (1st part of Set 1 Only) Lineage unknown, possibly RR > CD (unknown transfer) > EAC > SHN Originally posted as shn files to abgd-hs by ArtCube 2007-09-26 (The patch in Minglewood is from material performed on 5-7 and Lazy Lightning from 5-25.) Converted to flac by terrapinstation
Other Sources
SHNID 266 w/AUD splices? to patch reel flips: Betty Board...
SHNID 4982 freshly remastered Betty Board with AUD...
SHNID 5002 Lineage: -- Steve Maizner's Sony ECM-990>Sony...
SHNID 26856 DTS Audio 5.1 : SBD (Betty Board) > Master 7"...
SHNID 26857 Matrix based on these sources: Source Info SBD...
SHNID 28301 MAC> R> CD; recorded by Jerry Moore: Sony 153...
SHNID 28354 flac16 ; MAC> R> CD Audience Recording by...
SHNID 29303 flac16 ; Handheld Shure 57's,10 Feet From...
SHNID 29511 Source Info: "3 Source Matrix Mix, SBD + AUD1 +...
SHNID 30756 flac16, DTS ; complete show; combination of...
SHNID 35086 flac24/96 ; SBD+AUD1+AUD2 Matrix Mix...
SHNID 97274 flac16 ; SBD (shnid=4982) and AUD (shnid=29303...
SHNID 111493 flac16 ; Matrix by Hunter Seamons using Final...
SHNID 117026 flac16 ; source: aud taped by Jerry Moore;...
SHNID 117027 flac24 ; source: aud taped by Jerry Moore;...
SHNID 134093 flac24 ; source: aud cassette master; taped by...
SHNID 137569 flac24 ; 3 Source Matrix by Dusborne;...
SHNID 137570 flac16 ; 3 Source Matrix by Dusborne;...
SHNID 137571 flac24 ; 2 Source Matrix by Dusborne; Audience...
SHNID 137572 flac16 ; 2 Source Matrix by Dusborne; Audience...
SHNID 148737 flac24 ; Source: Betty Cantor's SBD Reel...
SHNID 152379 flac2448; Source: Mono Sony hand-held...
The Grateful Dead
Barton Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY
May 08, 1977
partial SBD (1st part of Set 1 Only)
Lineage unknown, possibly RR > CD (unknown transfer) > EAC > SHN (see notes below) Patched with material from 5-7-77 and 5-25-77.
Originally posted as shn files to abgd-hs by ArtCube 2007-09-26
Converted to flac by terrapinstation 2007-09-29
01. New Minglewood Blues
02. Loser
03. El Paso
04. They Love Each Other
05. Jack Straw
06. Deal
07. Lazy Lightning >
08. Supplication
09. Brown Eyed Woman
10. Mama Tried
Art Cube's notes:
This is set 1 upto Mama Tried w/o any splices. It's a very clean sbd.
Pretty certain from reels to cd then eac'd. I got it as an audio disk in
the mail.
Barton Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY
May 08, 1977
partial SBD (1st part of Set 1 Only)
Lineage unknown, possibly RR > CD (unknown transfer) > EAC > SHN (see notes below) Patched with material from 5-7-77 and 5-25-77.
Originally posted as shn files to abgd-hs by ArtCube 2007-09-26
Converted to flac by terrapinstation 2007-09-29
01. New Minglewood Blues
02. Loser
03. El Paso
04. They Love Each Other
05. Jack Straw
06. Deal
07. Lazy Lightning >
08. Supplication
09. Brown Eyed Woman
10. Mama Tried
Art Cube's notes:
This is set 1 upto Mama Tried w/o any splices. It's a very clean sbd.
Pretty certain from reels to cd then eac'd. I got it as an audio disk in
the mail.
Comments
Other Sources (comments)
w/AUD splices? to patch... (3)
freshly remastered Betty... (16)
Lineage: -- Steve Maizner's... (6)
DTS Audio 5.1 : SBD (Betty... (7)
Matrix based on these... (0)
MAC> R> CD; recorded by... (6)
flac16 ; MAC> R> CD... (0)
flac16 ; Handheld Shure... (0)
Source Info: "3 Source... (0)
flac16, DTS ; complete... (0)
flac24/96 ; SBD+AUD1+AUD2... (0)
flac16 ; SBD (shnid=4982)... (0)
flac16 ; Matrix by Hunter... (0)
flac16 ; source: aud taped... (0)
flac24 ; source: aud taped... (0)
flac24 ; source: aud... (0)
flac24 ; 3 Source Matrix... (0)
flac16 ; 3 Source Matrix... (0)
flac24 ; 2 Source Matrix... (0)
flac16 ; 2 Source Matrix... (0)
flac24 ; Source: Betty... (0)
flac2448; Source: Mono... (0)
w/AUD splices? to patch... (3)
freshly remastered Betty... (16)
Lineage: -- Steve Maizner's... (6)
DTS Audio 5.1 : SBD (Betty... (7)
Matrix based on these... (0)
MAC> R> CD; recorded by... (6)
flac16 ; MAC> R> CD... (0)
flac16 ; Handheld Shure... (0)
Source Info: "3 Source... (0)
flac16, DTS ; complete... (0)
flac24/96 ; SBD+AUD1+AUD2... (0)
flac16 ; SBD (shnid=4982)... (0)
flac16 ; Matrix by Hunter... (0)
flac16 ; source: aud taped... (0)
flac24 ; source: aud taped... (0)
flac24 ; source: aud... (0)
flac24 ; 3 Source Matrix... (0)
flac16 ; 3 Source Matrix... (0)
flac24 ; 2 Source Matrix... (0)
flac16 ; 2 Source Matrix... (0)
flac24 ; Source: Betty... (0)
flac2448; Source: Mono... (0)
Date: 09/30/2007
User:
SteveSw
I am disappointed that this was given a SHNID. It seems clearly inferior to existing sources, both in terms of sound and in terms of inaccuracies in lineage.
Date: 09/30/2007
User:
jjoops
shnids are for sources in circulation, not for good (or better) sources in circulation -- all of them.
Date: 09/30/2007
User:
Wharfrat73
Thank you jjoops.
Date: 09/30/2007
User:
SteveSw
George Shannon has said he made this version:
"Just for the record, the first few seconds of Minglewood are from 5-7-77 and the beginning of Lazy Lightning is from 5-25-77. Also for the record I still believe this sounds better than the audience patched version albeit not as historically accurate for obvious reasons. I purposefully left the splices barely audible so one could tell they were there but without jumping out and grabbing one's attention like the audience patched versions do."
I guess, to me, there is a chicken and an egg issue here. If this didn't have a SHNID, it wouldn't have gone into circulation. But you guys know FAR better than I....
"Just for the record, the first few seconds of Minglewood are from 5-7-77 and the beginning of Lazy Lightning is from 5-25-77. Also for the record I still believe this sounds better than the audience patched version albeit not as historically accurate for obvious reasons. I purposefully left the splices barely audible so one could tell they were there but without jumping out and grabbing one's attention like the audience patched versions do."
I guess, to me, there is a chicken and an egg issue here. If this didn't have a SHNID, it wouldn't have gone into circulation. But you guys know FAR better than I....
Date: 09/30/2007
User:
jjoops
It was given a shnid after it entered into circulation, I believe. But I am not a GD admin, so I am not sure.
Date: 09/30/2007
User:
SteveSw
George Shannon sent it to some friends as an audio CD five years ago. It was only torrented for the first time (at eTree and elsewhere) after it got a SHNID.
It seems like a person could make A LOT of new sources like this, which is where I was coming from. But now I'm mostly just curious to try to understand the thinking.
It seems like a person could make A LOT of new sources like this, which is where I was coming from. But now I'm mostly just curious to try to understand the thinking.
Date: 09/30/2007
User:
Grateful Darkstar
It was uploaded to abgd-hs, it wasn't given a SHNID until after that had occured.
Date: 10/01/2007
User:
Wharfrat73
As far as the time line goes here's what happened. It was upped to abgd. Someone grabbed it from there, convereted it to flac and seeded it on JP's. Once that occurred, it was given a shn ID. I edited the source entry to add the original shn checksums. I then edited the source entry again to note that this was actually a composite from different shows. Hopefully, that will prevent further circulation.
Date: 10/01/2007
User:
Flyerfanatic
SteveSw it is better that it has a SHNID now. A few years from now a person will upload it again and we might not have the information then.
Date: 12/04/2007
User:
Asa74
How about updating the txt info on this entry to note that this is not an authentic entry? Put it in the txt info that the it takes material from other shows, as the current reading of the txt is straight up dishonest:
"This is set 1 upto Mama Tried w/o any splices. It's a very clean sbd. Pretty certain from reels to cd then eac'd."
That is a complete lie. Why enter fakes into the database only to give them some amount of authenticity? Talk about pissing in the pool.
"This is set 1 upto Mama Tried w/o any splices. It's a very clean sbd. Pretty certain from reels to cd then eac'd."
That is a complete lie. Why enter fakes into the database only to give them some amount of authenticity? Talk about pissing in the pool.
Date: 12/05/2007
User:
jjoops-garcia
Hmmm ... maybe because it's a "source in circulation"?
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