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Grateful Dead 08/27/1972

Old Renaissance Faire Grounds, Veneta, OR
SHNID 8045
Source Summary
SBD > 4-TRACK RTR @ 7.5 i.p.s. > PCM> (PCM) > D > SSSB; via Jay Serafin to gdlive; see info file for extensive notes
Entered by dr.unclear
Checksums shn-md5, st5
Disc Counts 0 / 4
Media Size
Date Circulated
Date Added
12/25/01
03/07/2002
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Archive Identifier gd1972-08-27.sbd.serafin.8045.sbefail.shnf ↗

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SHNID 152 SBD MR> DAT> CDR> EAC> SHN; via S. Kaplan, G....
SHNID 2199 SBD Master Betty reel > PCM > DAT > ZA2 > CD >...
SHNID 3328 SBD-> two-track MR-> DAT-> Sonic Solutions->...
SHNID 4682 SBD> 16 Track Master Reels> DAT@44.1K> DAT>...
SHNID 16582 SBD> 16 Track Master Reels> DAT@44.1K> DAT>...
SHNID 21619 Bertha Remaster of the Braverman/Dank 16 track...
GRATEFUL DEAD
"The Springfield Creamery Benefit"
Old Renaissance Fairgrounds
Veneta, OR
I / II / III
LINEAGE SET I / II: SBD > 4-TRACK RTR @ 7.5 i.p.s. > PCM > D > SSSB
LINEAGE SET III: SBD > 4-TRACK RTR @ 7.5 i.p.s. > PCM > PCM > D > SSSB
SSSB Audio Rating: AR-2

LINEAGE: SBD > 4-track RTR > PCM via analog inputs > (Set III only: extra PCM conversion using analog inputs) > D > SSSB; other artist(s): NRPS; billed as "The Springfield Creamery Benefit"; "Casey Jones", "One More Saturday Night" are not encores, simply the end of the show (some databases state these 3 songs  "may be encores"); any/all editing, fades, NR, hiss elimination, phase shifting/"time smear" correction, jitter elimination, and +/-2 dB max. EQ were performed using 100% digital-only processing (32-bit/196 kHz data stream) at Serafin Station Studio B [this show was released in 10/01]


JAY'S PERSONAL COMMENTS:

I have to say this was probably one of the most difficult shows I ever had to work on... EVER!  Many reasons for this are able to be disclosed (which they will be), but some are verified confidential information which came from my Marin County source who sent me the best possible masters for this show.

Set I and II:  Due to the tape reels being plastic, rather than the usual metal type, when the tapes were archived to PCM, there were static problems which occurred due to the ambient electrical charges which occur when tape reels are fast forwarded and fast rewound to "loosen up" the tape.  The static discharged through the tape layers, rather than through the metal reels, so the audio wound up becoming filled with little "pops, ticks, and crackles" throughout a lot of the layers of tape.

To eliminate these very annoying (and very audible!) noises, I had to MANUALLY do and edit them out.  Close to 3,000 total edits were performed for Set I and almost 2,500 edits for this same problem for Set II.  This is why it took close to 8 weeks of work to get this show completed.  Of course, I was working on other shows as well, but 90% of the time spent on this wonderful show was on literally looking at every second of audio, scrolling slowly forward, to find these problems.  It would have been "nicer" if the static pops were almost identical in their waveform, as I could have had the editing software find them for me, and I would just edit them out.  But, they varied to much in the way they appeared in the audio, that there was no "automatic" way to find these little buggers.  I spent close to 120 hours on finding these items, but then I was done, I only had to "eliminate" less than 45 total seconds from the entire show, due to my not being able to correct the static noise by simply removing the offending part of the sample (each static "pop" was approximately 0.00025 seconds in length, so just eliminating the deformed part of the waveform too very little time away from the entire show), but having to eliminate an entire sample or part of a waveform (about 0.001 seconds in length).  But the elimination of these annoying parts did not affect the way the end result audio sounds.  There's no "stuttering" or noticeable missing audio.  By performing the editing the way I did, it eliminated all of this "unwanted perverting" of the audio.  There are only a few very minor pops left, which could not be eliminated without affecting the audio as a whole, so I simply lowered the volume of the offending noise, so it's just barely perceptible.  With the usual amount of original RTR analog tape hiss from the decks being used at the slow speed, plus the analog transfer of the RTR > PCM (they did not do it in the digital domain for reasons I cannot divulge here), there was a fair amount of hiss throughout Sets I and II.  I was able to reduce the amount by more than 85%, but there is still a very slight amount of hiss left, which is only noticeable during the between-song lulls, tunings, and the stage announcement, and ONLY if you have your audio cranked up REALLY HIGH!  The amount of hiss I was able to remove, without affecting the audio, was so "massive", there were parts of the between song lulls where the band members were talking amongst themselves, etc., and that could not be heard at all, due to the original hiss.  Now, you are able to hear EVERYTHING that was originally fed into the RTR decks!

Set III:  This came from a totally different set of archive tapes, which had more underlying hiss to them (due to the extra PCM transfer in the lineage), but the overall audio was better them most of the versions out there.  So, even more noise reduction using different techniques, was used, and the result was close (and to a slight degree, even better than the Set I/II reduction!).  There was a point, beginning with "Sing Me Back Home", where you could hear that someone did some adjustment to the RTR deck, and this hiss rose dramatically from that point to the end of the show.  So, not only was I faced with a "different" type of hiss, I had to now "match" the EQ curve of the audio to anything prior to that song!  It was a lot of work, but it was also a lot of fun, as this was one of my most challenging releases of a show I had ever attempted.

Overall, there is a LOT more total show audio than in almost all of the versions in circulation.  Close to 10 minutes of "additional material" is in this release.

To perform all of the special static noise, I had to revert to converting the show from it's usual 16-bit/48.0 kHz data rate to the highest rates my software, sound card, and digital mixer can handle, which is 32-bit / 192 kHz sampling rate!  This is better than DVD's audio, which is 24-bit/96 kHz sampling.  But I needed to see more of the waveform, and to be able to manipulate the waveforms in such a precise manner.  When I "down-converted" the audio to the standard for CD's, which is 16-bit / 44.1 kHz, I was able to move the quantization noise up into the 20 kHz range, which is well past the point if human hearing.  Also, since this show contained very little in the way of high levels of audio above 14 kHz, it did not affect the "harmonics" and the subtle nuances which a lot of people would hear up in the 18-20 kHz audio range with a lot of music.  So, everyone will hear all of the audio just as is was recorded onto the RTR decks, only with a much cleaner sound.  I had to perform very little in the way of "trimming" of the show's audio for the reel flips and the PCM tape changes.  From my editing notes, I was able to remove just under 50 total seconds of total show audio to perform the necessary crossfades. This is the best I could do with the masters I received, and I hope that everyone is happy with the results.  I certainly was, and I am never totally happy with my "final release" versions of any show I've ever worked on!


Uploaded exclusively to GDLive.com by:
John "Jay" Serafin, owner/audio engineer @ Serafin Station Studio B
"Making Kindness Dubs For Everyone!"
No Profits Or Copyright Infringements EVER!
Web Info: http://members.home.com/kinddubs
E-Mail: kinddubs@home.com

Grateful Dead
08/27/72
"Springfield Creamery Benefit"
Old Renaissance Fairground, Veneta OR

Lineage: (SET I and II) SBD > Re-Mixed Master RTR > DAT > SSSB
Lineage: (SET III) SBD > Re-Mixed Master RTR > PCM (via analog inputs and outputs) > DAT > SSSB


Disc 1
Set 1
gd72-08-27d1t01  05:55.154  Stage Announcements, Intros, Gift Presentations
gd72-08-27d1t02  03:31.615  The Promised Land
gd72-08-27d1t03  09:15.142  Sugaree
gd72-08-27d1t04  03:26.284  Me & My Uncle
gd72-08-27d1t05  05:59.371  Deal
gd72-08-27d1t06  06:29.189  Black-Throated Wind
gd72-08-27d1t07  02:54.501  Stage Announcements
gd72-08-27d1t08  06:50.124  China Cat Sunflower ->
gd72-08-27d1t09  07:11.195  -> I Know You Rider
gd72-08-27d1t10  02:25.640  Stage Announcements
gd72-08-27d1t11  04:02.117  Mexicali Blues
gd72-08-27d1t12  05:52.303  Bertha
Total time: 1:03:52.599


Disc 2
Set 2
gd72-08-27d2t01  05:46.072  Playing In The Band ->
gd72-08-27d2t02  12:58.731  -> Playin' Jam ->
gd72-08-27d2t03  03:04.497  -> Playing In The Band Reprise
gd72-08-27d2t04  02:12.830  Stage Announcements
gd72-08-27d2t05  09:07.728  He's Gone
gd72-08-27d2t06  02:51.608  Stage Announcements
gd72-08-27d2t07  06:03.697  Jack Straw
gd72-08-27d2t08  12:32.493  Bird Song
gd72-08-27d2t09  01:04.450  Stage Announcements
gd72-08-27d2t10  05:30.255  Greatest Story Ever Told
Total time: 1:01:12.361


Disc 3
Set 3
gd72-08-27d3t01  13:06.170  Dark Star ->
gd72-08-27d3t02  18:30.692  -> "Jazz Star" Jam ->
gd72-08-27d3t03  05:15.922  -> El Paso
gd72-08-27d3t04  11:22.972  Sing Me Back Home
gd72-08-27d3t05  00:49.914  Stage Announcements
gd72-08-27d3t06  08:44.026  Sugar Magnolia
gd72-08-27d3t07  02:57.378  Stage Announcements
Total time: 1:00:45.074


Disc 4
Set 3 Cont'd
gd72-08-27d4t01  07:00.520  Casey Jones
gd72-08-27d4t02  05:28.586  One More Saturday Night
gd72-08-27d4t03  02:02.090  Stage Announcements
Total time: 0:14:31.196

Comments

Date: 08/09/2002
User: RMS
How does this seed compare to the circulating dankseed? Any input would be very much appreciated... there are quite a few comments about the other sources but nothing regarding the SSSB source. Thoughts?
Date: 08/10/2002
I have this source and it is simply phenominal - the sound quality is Dick's Pickable - bravo to Jay - really excellent work!!
Date: 08/11/2002
User: appalled
please note that the dankseeds version is from the 16-track master reels. The SSSSSSB version is from 4-track masters. Also, the dankseeds version does not come with the digital editing "boilerplate". It seems fairly obvious that the dankseed version is superior.
Date: 08/12/2002
User: RMS
So appalled (or anyone else), you prefer the Dankseed version? How does the sound differ between the 4-track and the 16-track? Just because the dankseed has additional tracks available doesn't mean that they were used nor that a source derived there-from would necessarily be superior, correct? Also, I am unfamiliar with the term "boilerplate"... could you explain? This show is fantastic (I have one of the old versions) and I look forward to acquiring the "best" version currently in circulation... The "Playing in the Band" is top-notch!
Date: 08/12/2002
User: shnaholic
personally, ill take the pbraverman remaster. it has all the banter as well as all the music.
Date: 08/25/2002
this shn has sector boundry errors on every track,it must be fixed w/shntool before burning audio
Date: 10/21/2002
User: GDLIVE
Date: 12/11/2002
User: marmar
DO NOT spread the *fixed* versions...a few of us over on the forums are taking on the task of fixing all of his shows and re-distrobuting them as FLACS so the fixed copies will be easier kept track of...Please feel free to check it out at the forums: http://forums.etree.org/viewtopic.php?t=541
Date: 03/10/2003
User: Brian
The 16 Track master is the best circulating source available now. This is not.
Date: 02/15/2006
User: A Dude
There seem to be a number of people who are more interested in math than actually listening.

In audio, less is usually better. (cf "RCA Living Stereo")

I've compared this SSSB version to the Dank, Orf and Ashley versions and this one sounds the best to my ear.

Presumably, Sam Field will have a professionally remastered track from original elements on the DVD.
Date: 02/15/2006
I think Jay Serrafin is living in a fantasy world. There were 2 track reels made and 16-track reels made, so I wonder where is so called 4 track source came from??? Obviosuly he's just making stuff up to try to look like he knows what he doing, LOL....cm
Date: 02/16/2006
User:
So far, it hasn't worked.
Date: 12/21/2007
User: A_Dude
Well, what has worked is creating the best version of this show. This shn set is the only one that has a real professional mix. The "16 track" versions have the drums and lead vocals way too high, somewhat drowning out the rest of the instruments. This version has a good mix, you can hear the guitars, bass and piano much more clearly.
Date: 12/21/2007
There were no 4 track reel made at this show. Once again, Jay is making info up.